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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2006, 01:01:57 pm »
Just wait till the PocketPenguin is done.


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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2006, 01:26:40 pm »
Well seems like lpotter was right...

Now we have the Motorola Rokr E2 phone with linux on it. It is also approved by the FCC, so maybe a US launch might just be possible - "pending carrier interest".

(in plain words if the Wireless carriers can make sure that its all closed and tight so they can rip off customers with binding-clauses and disbaled DUN'e etc).

It seems Trolltech presented the device to Linuxdevices.com, so maybe Qtopia Phone is on it - didnt see any mention of it though in my quick reading.

http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8243331060.html

Edit : Ok, article does mention that it has a graphical menu 'like' Qtopia Phone.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2006, 01:52:43 pm »
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Well seems like lpotter was right...

Now we have the Motorola Rokr E2 phone with linux on it. It is also approved by the FCC, so maybe a US launch might just be possible - "pending carrier interest".

(in plain words if the Wireless carriers can make sure that its all closed and tight so they can rip off customers with binding-clauses and disbaled DUN'e etc).

It seems Trolltech presented the device to Linuxdevices.com, so maybe Qtopia Phone is on it - didnt see any mention of it though in my quick reading.

http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8243331060.html

Edit : Ok, article does mention that it has a graphical menu 'like' Qtopia Phone.
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It's definately not qtopia, but EZX, a costum motorola version of qt/e 2.x.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2006, 12:46:58 am »
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Now we have the Motorola Rokr E2 phone with linux on it. It is also approved by the FCC, so maybe a US launch might just be possible - "pending carrier interest".

All Motorola Linux phones, so far, have been FCC approved and show up on motorola.com. So, FCC approval does not give much hope. The fact that it is a sequel to a phone that had moderate sucess offers much more hope. The first one had a tie-in with Apple iTunes, though, which likley made it more attractive, as the carriers get a nice buzzword and mind share.

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2006, 05:35:58 am »
Personally, I agree with all the slashdotting of the carriers. I spent £150 on my GPRS card, and then found that Pop, SMTP, SSH, Telnet, MSN, AIM and VOIP were all filtered over my provider.

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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2006, 07:34:06 am »
quick fix is to put your ssh on port 80 and then set up a semi VPN thorgh that.

also means they cant dictate what you can see over the connection (web filtering, some are known to do it to make it more consume less bandwith)
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2006, 02:48:58 pm »
I'm lucky enough to not have web filtering. ^^

The idea of controlling an MSN program on one PC from my Z sounds appealing, I can do that with X, right? I assume they have to be binary compatible though. . .

Scratch that for now, what does everyone th9ink of the Uni as even just a Windows Smartphone? I did some calculations earlier, and to get it with a 12 month contract, including line rental, brings the whole shebang to #380, and after that I can just drop the contract and keep the phone, at a muuuch lower price than the #650 wanted for the Jasjar branded Uni.

What does everyone think? Worth it? I can flash to linux at a later date that way, too. (When the Phone and Internal-Flash are supported on Familiar-Universal.)
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2006, 06:53:18 pm »
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The idea of controlling an MSN program on one PC from my Z sounds appealing, I can do that with X, right? I assume they have to be binary compatible though. . .

You can do that with X11, and they don't have to be binary compatable. You might also look into VNC.

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Scratch that for now, what does everyone th9ink of the Uni as even just a Windows Smartphone? I did some calculations earlier, and to get it with a 12 month contract, including line rental, brings the whole shebang to #380, and after that I can just drop the contract and keep the phone, at a muuuch lower price than the #650 wanted for the Jasjar branded Uni.

I've not played with one personally, but it seems to be a fun toy.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2006, 01:36:28 am »
for ssh is was talking about running ppp on one end and connecting to it on you Z to gize you a vpn link thats encrypted, i belive ssh has another -x flag for this or somthing (replace x with the flag) where it automatiaclly sets up all ports to be fowrded

as a normal user i had no problems with any win ce pda, it took notes and looked after my contacts. however when you start adding programs it starts to get unstable to the point where you need extra tools just to manage its stability

msn is good on it as long as you can use the virtual keypad fast (forget the handwriting recignition)) but the web browser sucks so badly that most people (including those taken off the street) would prefer lynxs (and the horror of trying to install a omand line on the thing which can be done but is a pain)

WM5 is definattly an improvment for phones but in my belief they streamlined it for buisness and the lowest common denominator. there seems to be little in the way of added features for anyone without an exchonge server

basically if you are a power user (which by definition just by knoming the name of a linux powered pda makes you one in the PPC world) then you will need alot of software, if you are a linux power user (alot diffrent from a ppc one) then you will need a huge amount of software, for example i used to have to run a ftp server on the thing to get files of the device over wifi, on the Z i just fire up samba. and if i remeber corectly the sambar binaries are about the same size as the ppc ftp server

if you were to get one i would borrow one if posible and play around with it for a week, and see if it is for you

if it is i can show you a couple of place to free software (legal) and  . as well as give you a list of apps that will make the ppc experince bearable to a Z user

(i have had a xda 2, hp1930 dell x30. and look after for other people (keep up to date) a xda mini and an xda kjam)
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2006, 12:49:56 pm »
My cousin, I believe, has one. . .

I'm not likely to be using it for the same things as Cortana and the PPZ (When out. ) But as a basic phone for University, with Basic PDA functions, which I can later (When it's ready) upgrade to Linux.

Anyone know how they're doing with the phone support?
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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2006, 07:38:25 am »
Hmm. . . It's arrived, and after the usual garbage crashes and bugs that happened before my first reset, it's actually not a bad system. The wifi is useless. . . But it's the only thing that I've had a problem with. I think the PocketPC messaging and phone apps are quite a good example. . . Shame the OS stinks really, doesn't it?
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2006, 07:52:14 am »
I stumbled across this when looking at the UTStarcom wifi/sip phones, and the clone from safecom (www.safecom.cn) ... so I came here to see if anyone had noticed it, and this thread was the first one listed.

http://www.cyber-telecom.net/shop/product_.../products_id/31

a bit pricey though!

I also looked for some technical details of how the Motorola RAZR phone special version for BritishTelecom Fusion server works, to see if it could be reconfigured to work at my home using my own bluetooth gateway and a different provider. As far as I can see, the RAZR switches from being a GSM phone to being a bluetooth "terminal", rather than being wifi.

Thus, so far, it seems to me that a Zaurus with
a/ bluetooth adaptor
b/ wifi adaptor
c/ and a GSM/GPRS adaptor (from enfora or audiovox)
provides the most flexible universal communications device (until the HTC universal itself is fully supported by linux)
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2006, 09:03:22 am »
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and after the usual garbage crashes and bugs that happened before my first reset, ...
Sounds familiar

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Shame the OS stinks really, doesn't it?
It's made by M$, I wouldn't expect anything less. It's mind boggling how they spend billions crippling an already crippled [non-]OS so that it will run on low spec hardware and all they seem to have accomplished is to port the equivalent of the BSoD to a handheld platform!
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2006, 04:41:31 am »
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It's definately not qtopia, but EZX, a costum motorola version of qt/e 2.x.
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2006, 06:17:52 am »
Heh, Actually I haven't had the BSOD. . . Before my first reset it just locked up, and since then it's been pretty much stable. I like the Today screen, and the comms software. .  but the Media player is shockingly poor, there is no Mount/Unmount controls, you risk your FAT table every time you eject a card. . I had a friend once who pulled his card, destroying the FAT table, then I put it in my Poodle, which overwrote the drive with a new file structure "/Documents, /Install_Files" anyone? It doesn't handle Memory efficiently, so any music playing glitches when you rotate the screen. Oh, just had my first lockup since my initial reset. Wierd. As I said, the WLan system is shocking. . . I can't seem to make it connect to my Access Point any more. .  It did it once, but now I can just turn the wifi on, and it just sits there telling me it's "Available", without bringing up the original "Connect?" dialog box it did first time.

On the other hand, open linux tends to be pretty useless as a phone. . . I think DB was right, someone needs to get linux on a BlueAngel or use a SLX or SL-CX with a GPRS/GSM card and write a Daemon to handle the modem. Because at the moment, there's no way to acept incoming calls unless you're actually running the phone program. . . Which isn't alot of good when it's suspended in your Piel Frama. After you've got a Daemon to START the call program, you have the basics of the phone. Messaging I think, is a little trickier. . . But I like the way that Windows handles Ringtones (Except for the fact that they have to be copied to "/Windows/Rings") In that it's done via the Sounds and Notifications program.
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