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« Reply #180 on: April 13, 2007, 02:41:23 pm »
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« Reply #181 on: April 13, 2007, 03:27:39 pm »
Doh ! (slaps his head with a rubber brick)

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« Reply #182 on: April 13, 2007, 08:39:10 pm »
bit of an update, the backlight buttons dont rely on the OS, which is nice

the joystick and touchpad "just work"

the wifi and bluetooth buttons are OS independent as well as the LEDs to turn them on and off

SD card is on SUB as a cdrom device (ie usb to removable storage), havent checked the CF yet but i belive this may be plugged into a chip on the pci bus

installing debian at the moment so expect a hardware compatability update and a optimised kernel soon
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« Reply #183 on: April 13, 2007, 11:33:24 pm »
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bit of an update, the backlight buttons dont rely on the OS, which is nice

the joystick and touchpad "just work"

the wifi and bluetooth buttons are OS independent as well as the LEDs to turn them on and off

SD card is on SUB as a cdrom device (ie usb to removable storage), havent checked the CF yet but i belive this may be plugged into a chip on the pci bus

installing debian at the moment so expect a hardware compatability update and a optimised kernel soon
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« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2007, 01:24:07 am »
well it looks like lots of TI chips (which have decent lin support)

seems debian loaded yenta support (cardbus), not sure if its 16bit or 32 bit but it looks promising, lspci says its a TI PCIxx12 cardbus controller, so it looks promising for usinga CF to PCMIA adaptor and bieng able to use it with 32 bit cardbus as well

i was right about SD, the chip is a TI 5 in 1 card reader (SD MMC MS MS PRO xD), one nice thing is that the kernel picks it up as a SDHC controller, i will leave the rest to you to figure out  

there was sominthing about a compaq touch screen driver, but i wouldnt read too much into that

the one problem i am having is making the wifif show up, when i do tha majic key combo the light lights up but i get no recignition of anything chaning in the system, digging through the device manager in windows indicated it was on a USB bus which would make sense (4 usb ports on the companion chip, bluetooth on one, wifi on the other, 2 external) which is a bit of a problem (anyone have any ideas?)

under debain GDM dosent work "out of the box", i am going to try x.org.conf tweaking to see what i can do

anyway enjoy, at the moment i am sturuggling with my root password, which must have dropped a letter on both attempts without me relising it (stupid keyboard). so i hope to have that fixed soon

btw, the keyboard really does take time not only to break in but get used to, if your password is longer than 16 chars then go for somthing shorter or you will end up wasting as much time as i did (45 mins )

Bluetooth is a cambridge device on usb and "just works" with linux (ohh yeah!!!)

sleep button and display switch button dont work as in windows (dosent matter to me, it works as a ~ instead which puts it in a better postion )
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« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2007, 02:38:55 am »
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well it looks like lots of TI chips (which have decent lin support)

seems debian loaded yenta support (cardbus), not sure if its 16bit or 32 bit but it looks promising, lspci says its a TI PCIxx12 cardbus controller, so it looks promising for usinga CF to PCMIA adaptor and bieng able to use it with 32 bit cardbus as well

i was right about SD, the chip is a TI 5 in 1 card reader (SD MMC MS MS PRO xD), one nice thing is that the kernel picks it up as a SDHC controller, i will leave the rest to you to figure out  

there was sominthing about a compaq touch screen driver, but i wouldnt read too much into that

the one problem i am having is making the wifif show up, when i do tha majic key combo the light lights up but i get no recignition of anything chaning in the system, digging through the device manager in windows indicated it was on a USB bus which would make sense (4 usb ports on the companion chip, bluetooth on one, wifi on the other, 2 external) which is a bit of a problem (anyone have any ideas?)

under debain GDM dosent work "out of the box", i am going to try x.org.conf tweaking to see what i can do

anyway enjoy, at the moment i am sturuggling with my root password, which must have dropped a letter on both attempts without me relising it (stupid keyboard). so i hope to have that fixed soon

btw, the keyboard really does take time not only to break in but get used to, if your password is longer than 16 chars then go for somthing shorter or you will end up wasting as much time as i did (45 mins )

Bluetooth is a cambridge device on usb and "just works" with linux (ohh yeah!!!)

sleep button and display switch button dont work as in windows (dosent matter to me, it works as a ~ instead which puts it in a better postion )
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I have the same problem with wifi and was going to try and turn it on in the bios and see if it shows up then. I'll have to wait till tomorrow to try that.

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« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2007, 02:42:20 am »
time for another report

acpi works well, in fact it works flawlessly, i only tested it for detecting the screen bieng closed, battery, and temp but they work fine (thats all i needed), next is suspend to ram and disk but the suspend to disk can wait till i get my kernel out

the screen issue was me doing bad things with X, i enabled several resalutions, however it ranks them by size and of course i chose 1600x1200 as the max for testing, basically it dosent slide and it dosent like having the mode changed at all

debian detecteted and set it up as a vesa device which is fine but i should be able to get a bit more out of it down the track (performance wise, ie accelerated 2d draw)

reminds me i need to release a keyboard mapping as the default one has some notable ommisions (ie '|', which is annoying) there is nothing really that mapps nicly to it so it will be a custom job, at the moment i am using gb but its not and exact match, lucky for me those 2 japanese buttons next too the keyboard would make great buttons for prev/next VT (for those who know my Z's keyboard layout with those 5 buttons at the bottom)

one problem i do have is that VGA is always on, may not seem like much but it chews power. you may also want to note that it is not independent from the LCD screen, its one or the other or both but both must be at the same refresh and  rez, hence the 1600x1200 limit when the hardware can do 1080p (over 2000)

still cant get wifi to work but that is somthing i cant work on till i crak the root password, bout to boot a live CD to change it. however before i had an encrypted partion on it which is a PITA unlses you are using the gentoo live CDs to work with

the reason bieng this thing has AES-128 acceleration, so its free security, unfortunattly debian dosent give you a choice of encryption settings so it takes a performance hit during installation and dosent included the reqired module by default (old kernel)

sound is recignised however i havent tested it and the basic cat to dsp dosent work (write error, invalid arg)

a nice tidbit is /dev/input, there are 7 event devices (0 to 6), 3 mice and 3 touch screens (?), turns out the touch screens are generated by the mice devices, i assume to give a fixed rather than reletive value (config option for TS is in the kernel and hard coded). so it isnt a touch screen its just mouse emulation of a touch screen)

cant wait to check out those event devices once i have root

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« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2007, 02:43:31 am »
just noticed the screen blanks automatically for the lcd on screen close, as it should

thanks for ttat idea about wifi i will test it on reboot
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« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2007, 02:18:20 pm »
In Ubuntu you only need your password to do a #sudo passwd root. I take it it's different in Debian? I've tried many of the major distros, but not Debian, so I don't know for sure.
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« Reply #189 on: April 14, 2007, 03:41:11 pm »
Dave (Kopsis) has updated his blog with a device report listing in response to a query from someone here. He's not too optimistic about the Winbond chip...

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« Reply #190 on: April 14, 2007, 04:17:40 pm »
For those who don't want to scroll through the entire thread, here is a link:

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« Reply #191 on: April 15, 2007, 03:08:55 am »
yep thats a proper pcmcia slot alright, just put a flash acrd in and it does the standard pcmcia autodetection stuff

looks like this thing has mmx2 as well as mmx and 3dnow as well as 3dnow2, turns out quake2 is VERY playable on this thing even with some of the graphics turned up  , no native rez stuff but 800x600 is fine

monitor out seems stuck at 640x480, need to work out why but  it can do that while the screen is at 800x600 (which looks alright to me, could be better but i just pretend i am getting free AA vertically without the performance hit

at the moment i am doing a benchmark of openssl speed before and after inserting aes-i586 (uses mmx or whatever) to see the diffrence, once i build my kernel then i will give the aes acceleration a go

when i compile my kernel i will geta couple of nice things, AES crypto processor, RNG (debian has this built in already) none of the uneeded IDE drivers and such (lean mean fighting machine ) and Geode FB support, which i am hoping will allow me to set abitry sizes so i can do 800x480 and then use X with a FB as the driver (no accelerated but better than vesa)

i must say that the new debian is very well polished for this machine, the acpi stuff works great and tells you how long your battery will last and how long it takes to charge with notifacation which i find handy, when bluetooth is enabled it notifies you and turns itself on, only problem is i am not running and services at the moment to make use of it, and the notification of network status is  gerat, keep in mind that i havent every had linux on a laptop and so is all new and shiny

things that work
suspend 2 disk/hibernate (and works well!!!)
network
side rocker (its just a button on the keyboard)
hinge close detection (great with s2d
on screen mouse and keys (up  and down is a keyboard button)
brightness (OS independent, very handy that ie works with dos )
speakers
CF (its PCMCIA)
USB
video out (640x480 of whatever is on screen (ie it will down or upscale))
ethernet
on screen LEDs
bluetooth (works great, 12mbps device)

things that dont
suspend to ram
SD

things that need to be fixed
wifi
keyboard mapping
video output

i can see the wifi card with hal-device-manager however it is stuck there (even if disabled, leading me to think there is more too it, well no problem i can rip it out quite eisaly and wire in a linux supported one, i think i prefer cat5 anyway

btw anyone know where winbond puts its wifi chipset info?, i am begining to think its just a rebranded chipset but until i can activate it i cant be sure
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« Reply #192 on: April 15, 2007, 06:49:50 am »
Da Blitz, this is all very encouraging. I hope Wifi doesn't turn out to be a showstopper, and you can turn all this into an usable distro for us lamerz out there, so we can get rid of XP or at least double-boot :-)

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« Reply #193 on: April 17, 2007, 08:13:20 am »
Well i have been playing a bit more now

sound is working sort of, the headphone sockets on the front don't work but the speakers do, not sure why. however when you put the headphones in the speakers are disabled. quick side note, its a realtek alc55 and suprorts spidf out, hopefully through the headphone jack but woudnt hold my breath

to get sound working you need  to set up your .asoundrc to upmix al input to 48000hz as the chiponly supports this output and apps wil fai otherwise completewith wired cryptic error messages

just found an old cf wifi card i thought didn't work as i had problems with on the Z however it was detected just fine

looks like suspend to ram works, its just gnome cant do it properly. don't know why but doing it from the command line works

typing this on the sa as we speak, keybaord still sucks.takes alot of pressure on the buttons to make sure the keys are recognized

cpu wise this thing isnt bad, takes awhile to load a slashdot page with lots of comments hwoeveri dont mid waiting and you can do some things such as killing off flash and adds to greatly speed things up or use the txt based slashdot theme

so next thing is to compile a custom kernel to get the benifts of things like the crypto processor and that should fix the video out stuff, wil start that when i solder in a new power butto for the PC, of all the things to fail why did it have t be that
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« Reply #194 on: April 17, 2007, 08:16:08 am »
i have one last tip for anyone else who wants to use gnome, put those bars that are on the top ad bottom of the screen on the sides of the screen, you getmore verticale room and it makes it more 4:3 ike a normal monitor

i guess the same applies to widows with the start menu, give it an hour or two of web browsing and you will appreciate it
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