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« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2007, 07:34:11 pm »
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Well, I bit the bullet today and shelled out for a Fujitsu from Conics.
I expect up to 3 weeks to receive it, though.

I really hope it turns out to be worth the wait and much better than your OQO experience. My wife has her beady eye on my Sony TX2 so I might be next in line. My brother might be going to Japan soon and I'd hope he could buy me one there.
I've never played with an OQO. An active digitizer, crazy-stoopid pricing, and super-proprietary-ness of it has always kept me away from that platform.

I've got a friend going over there next week, but the only I'm getting him to pick up this time is a fresh battery for my Z. Looks like I"m not replacing it as a pocketable device until Intel's MID platform next year

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In the meantime, I've clock-locked my Libretto down to 800mhz (also 1gb ram) to emulate the experience. I'm running vmware images of Vista and Kubuntu 7.07 on it. (And I'll add OSX if I can...)

huh? what's the native OS then? Why not install linux as host and put vista as guest?

The native platform is WinXP. I've got Vista there for my Job, OSX will be nice if I can get it to work, but isn't too important.

I'll be running Kubuntu or Xubuntu under vmware because it just works. Getting Linux working well natively on these devices is usually quite hard - you will almost certainly lose access to things like the fingerprint scanner - and windows native playback of things like video and flash has better performance.

For example - my libretto has better flash performance @ 800mhz under windows than it does @ 1.1ghz under linux.

Therefore, windows native for most things and vmware linux for the things that I want to do under linux (Development, etc).

I will be wiping the unit to install XP Tablet edition, so I may leave a few gigs free to play with a native linux partition, but I don't expect it to work very well. (I've also heard that Fujitsu is notoriously linux unfriendly anyway. A low volume, highly specialized mobile device like the U1010 will probably be a near-complete wash. )

Things that ought to work: Video, Lan, Wifi, trackpoint, USB.
Unknown: Bluetooth, Touchscreen, Compact Flash, SD, fingerprint scanner.

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do let us know as soon as possible how you get on!
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I'll be doing a review, pics, and maybe some video about it
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« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2007, 06:17:49 pm »
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Well, I bit the bullet today and shelled out for a Fujitsu from Conics.
I expect up to 3 weeks to receive it, though.

any news? there's a possibility of me being able to order one via my brother who's visiting Japan, or posssibly via a brief visit to Dynamism in October, so I'd really like to know what they're like before I do something stupid!!!
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« Reply #77 on: August 17, 2007, 06:49:48 am »
Unbelievably, the thing was shipped yesterday ;_; I suspect it's still in the air as we speak.

Things have changed a little with the announcement of the availability of the U810 "Darth Vader" (all black) model for the US. It comes with the extended battery and the top end specs - 1gb ram, 40gb hd, wifi, BT, for only ~$1000 US. AT&T is apparently going to release a version with HSPDA built in for ~$1300 at the start of next year.

(Mine is is the U8240 "Stormtrooper" (Black and white) Japanese model. It lacks bluetooth (grrr) and cost a fair penny more than the US one. Plus, it came with only the standard battery. The extended battery was extra)
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« Reply #78 on: August 17, 2007, 07:11:21 am »
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hmmm, U810? ah...
[a href=\"http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsus-lifebook-u810-hits-the-fcc/]http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsu...0-hits-the-fcc/[/url]
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« Reply #79 on: August 17, 2007, 07:43:41 am »
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Things have changed a little with the announcement of the availability of the U810 "Darth Vader" (all (Mine is is the U8240 "Stormtrooper" (Black and white) Japanese model. It lacks bluetooth (grrr) and [div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

hmmm, U810? ah...
[a href=\"http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsus-lifebook-u810-hits-the-fcc/]http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/14/fujitsu...0-hits-the-fcc/[/url]
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It seems to go like this:

U8240 - Japanese Model, no bluetooh. Black and white, standard battery.
U1010 - International Model. Includes Bluetooth. Black and white, standard battery.
U810 - US model. Includes bluetooth, all black, extended battery.

The US model seems cheaper and better spec'd (not to mention all black) than other versions.
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« Reply #80 on: August 24, 2007, 07:07:25 pm »
I did a search on F's site and it appears they are haveput a userguide online:
http://search.fujitsu.com/us/search.jsp?en...G.x=0&&filter=0

there's also a sign-up page to get news of when it comes to USA in mid September:
http://www.computers.us.fujitsu.com/smallwonder/index.php
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« Reply #81 on: August 28, 2007, 04:35:01 pm »
Well, I've had it for a few days now, but I'm just managing to get an English copy of Windows on it. I'm generally positive on it, but there a few disappointments.

Hopefully I'll have pics up later this week.
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SL-C3000: pdaXii13 5.4.7, SL-C3000 5.4.9 - microdrive replaced with 8gb Sandisk
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« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2007, 06:01:55 pm »
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Well, I've had it for a few days now, but I'm just managing to get an English copy of Windows on it. I'm generally positive on it, but there a few disappointments.

Hopefully I'll have pics up later this week.
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ok, well, not that I'm gagging to know the results, but would rather you waited a day and gave us solid first impressions than rushed in with imperfect news.
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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2007, 10:29:11 pm »
Well, I've finally got some photos online of the Fujitsu. Full set here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57601843755726/

I've shown it beside some SL3x00 Zaurii, a Toshiba Libretto U100, and a Macbook Core 2 Duo. And one bad shot in London Drugs beside a Sony UX380.

The keyboard is pretty good. The Z is still better at thumb typing, but the Fuji is loads better than any other Intel device I've tried. The screen is almost exactly the same DPI as the Z's, so reading it isn't any problem. It seems quite bright, with good colour as well.

Ergonmically it's pretty good. I have the extended battery (they haven't shipped my standard battery yet), so it feels a bit top heavy.

Performance is *very* good. Full screen DIVX video at HD resolutions runs without a hitch, as does full screen flash video. I'm running under XP Tablet edition and it feels very snappy.

Doesn't generate much heat, and the fan is quiet when it's running.

Battery life on the extended battery is a solid 5 hrs, even with wifi. (Sitting idle I saw a time of 7h 18m reported by the battery tool)

The SD card slot appears to only be SD, and not SDHC compatible. I haven't tested it  yet, but a friend of mine does have an 8gb card will soon be able to shove in there. The CF card lets me use my Z's CF accessories (like bluetooth) as well as memory cards.

Downsides? Construction feels a bit soft and plasticy. The back of the screen is plastic compared to the Z's Aluminum. The hinge mechanism is metal, thankfully, but does give the impression of being a weak link. In practice it's been more solid than expected, but we'll see. It's also too big to put in my pocket, which I know but is still annoying.

The keyboard is a little...wonky. No page up/down, and you have to press FN to get the arrow keys. I"ve fixed this by remapping the keys so the arrows work straight out and the other keys require FN. It's okay for everything except the "." key, which I remapped to use one of the now useless Kanji keys. There are also 2 special buttons beside the trackstick that were mapped to arrow up and down. I've replaced that with pge up/down, which will make using it as an ebook reader a little nicer.

I haven't had much time to do much with it yet. Getting an English version of WinXP Tablet working was a bit of an experience. I expect to really put it through it's paces this week

I've got the docking station, hooked up to an external 500gb HD, DVD-RW, ethernet, 17" LCD, and Mouse/Keyboard. I suspect that you really could use this setup as your desktop computer without too much worry, given the surprising grunt of the A110 processor.

I've imaged it using clonezilla, onto the 500gb drive. It's easy and fast enough that I suspect I can swap HD images with no more fuss than on the Z. I'll eventually try out Vista and Linux on here, but I suspect XP tablet (with possibly Linux in a vmware image) will be the day-to-day OS.

So, I can't be rid of my 3000 yet. I've bought a new battery for it and will continue to carry it as my writing and database tool. I'm going to set up Unison to keep the Z, the Fuji, and my Desktop synchronized so it won't matter where I am or what I'm doing - I'll always have access to my latest documents and work  Looking forward to it.

If anyone is still reading this, I'll gladly answer any questions you might have about it
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« Reply #84 on: September 04, 2007, 01:33:52 am »
Maybe this has been discussed (but the thread is really long):

kahm ... are you already running linux on it ?
if so which periferals are already supported and which are not ?

I looked at the Fujitsu-Siemens site for the pricing it still seems a little expensive (around 1600 USD) but a little better priced  then the toshiba toughbooks ...
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« Reply #85 on: September 04, 2007, 04:06:11 am »
wow, what a nice picture set !

btw, I wonder what can you do with 3-Z, 1Libretto and 1 Fujitsu U101, apart from the rest of the stuff that appears on the pics, and how you made it to convince your wife/[girl|boy]friend/whatever all that was necessary!

I thought the Fujitsu would be much smaller, but looking the gallery it seems pretty obvious that the Fujitsu is another type of machine.

Thanks for the pics; now we are waiting for the linux installation experiences
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« Reply #86 on: September 04, 2007, 07:31:37 am »
yes, thanks for that. perhaps you can simply boot the Fujitsu from a live linux CD and see what devices it finds?

also, very useful to note that the Japanese version is lacking the mini pcie slot, I didn't know that.

so far, apart from the keyboard, I definitely want one! I am hoping they'll be on sale in the USA in time for my trip there end of this month so I can see what they're like and abuse my credit card if they're really as nice as I'd hope!
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« Reply #87 on: September 04, 2007, 12:19:25 pm »
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Well, I've finally got some photos online of the Fujitsu. Full set here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/silicondepend...57601843755726/

If anyone is still reading this, I'll gladly answer any questions you might have about it
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I still have one major question-
don't know if you can answer it though

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"is it pocketable???"
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From mockups I've made, it appears that with the standard battery
its just a little too big to fit in my pocket;
however my mockups have hard square edges,
while the real device has rounded and softer ones.

I'm fairly sure it *won't* be a comfortable fit (not nearly so nice as the Z)
but I'm still hanging out a measure of hope that it might barely work.

Can you (dare you?) try fitting it in any of your largest available pockets
to check out the prospects? (maybe after the STD battery arrives...)

OTOH, I should remember that when I've tried pocketable devices larger than a Z
I've been much more reluctant to carry them about- from encumberance.

I'm on the verge of buying a FlipStart
Seems.... rather inferior to a Fujitsu, but more pocket shaped by far.

Logic suggests that one wait for the "next generation" ultra-mobiles
but there seems no real guarantee that "next generation" will be
any more pocket friendly.

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duh. i know <blink> 's not supported.  pretend that it is
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« Reply #88 on: September 04, 2007, 12:49:12 pm »
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"is it pocketable???"
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it'd be better to find a tailor who can modify your pockets than not have one of these beauties, surely?
 
« Last Edit: September 04, 2007, 12:49:32 pm by speculatrix »
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« Reply #89 on: September 05, 2007, 09:59:26 am »
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yes, thanks for that. perhaps you can simply boot the Fujitsu from a live linux CD and see what devices it finds?

also, very useful to note that the Japanese version is lacking the mini pcie slot, I didn't know that.

so far, apart from the keyboard, I definitely want one! I am hoping they'll be on sale in the USA in time for my trip there end of this month so I can see what they're like and abuse my credit card if they're really as nice as I'd hope!
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Linux installation is definitely high on the list of things to do. There will be major issues, though.

For example, all of the extra buttons on this thing seem to be proprietary - they have their own driver and do absolutely nothing without the button utility loaded. (In contrast,  most of the special buttons on my IBM work just fine without drivers). Screen rotation and fixing of the glidepoint's orientation is also software.

Video is intel 945 based, so it should work. Wireless is Atheros - also should be okay.

I use a linux live CD of sorts (Clonezilla) to back up the HD so I know USB and ethernet do work. I'll get a crack at a real live cd later this week.
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SL-C3100: Sharp 1.11JP (Kanji Dictionary/Translator) - LCD Top swap with C1000.
SL-C3000: pdaXii13 5.4.7, SL-C3000 5.4.9 - microdrive replaced with 8gb Sandisk
SL-C1000: PDAXRom Beta3 | SL-6000L: Sharp 1.12 | SL-5500: Cacko, 64-0 kernel | SL-5000D: OZ-Opie
Linksys WCF12; Sharp CE-AG06, CE-RH2, CE-170TS; iRiver USB OTG Host cable; Socket BT rev.E CF; Hitachi 6gb Microdrive