Author Topic: Emergency  (Read 4170 times)

SiduS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 52
    • View Profile
Emergency
« on: May 14, 2007, 05:56:55 pm »
Hi all,

Here I am just messing shit up like always.. Now I need help

I have a 3200.

So long story short.. I have done the following with pdax r198..

I downloaded the emergency boot files..
I did fn+c+d and instructions said it would light up for 20 secs and then go off.. well it didnt.. it just went on for like 5 seconds and then just kept blinking.. So I powered it off..

Then I just did a power+OK and it booted into and loaded r198..

Now I want to go back to beta3 or pdaxii13.

Instructions say to use the fn+d+m menu to nand flash erase, then nand flash restore with orig sharp rom.. then power+ok to load rom.


I got it to flash erase. but I can't find sharp rom to use. I tried cacko and it said something about systc3200.dbx missing..

So I'm not sure what to do now.

Can someoen either point me to correct instrustions.. Or if the above is correct direct me to the correct rom to use for this step.

Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2007, 05:57:59 pm by SiduS »

ZDevil

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1998
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 06:00:34 pm »
You should NAND Restore (in the Diagnostics Menu ("DM mode")) the original Sharp rom NAND backup image first.
The NAND images are available in Conics and TRIsoft's websites.
Then you are free to flash any system using the "OK mode".
« Last Edit: May 14, 2007, 06:01:34 pm by ZDevil »

Life is too precious for hacking *too much*
Visit my Z screencap gallery[/color]
My EeePC 701 Black = Debian (Lenny) on IceRocks + Transcend SDHC Class6 8GB + 2GB RAM
My Zaurus SL-C3200 = Debian EABI (kernel 2.6.24.3-yonggun) on a swapped internal Sandisk Extreme III CF 16gb
My Debian EABI feed: http://matrixmen.free.fr/zaurus/debian/
My OpenBSD/Zaurus feeds:  Link1, Link2
[/i][/font][/color][/size]

Capn_Fish

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2342
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 06:08:44 pm »
http://www.trisoft.de/download/C3200-2006-04-05-13-00.zip

Download this backup and unzip it onto a FAT 16-formatted SD or CF card. Put the card in your Z and remove all power. Hold down Fn+D+M and choose the NAND restore option. That should get you to where you want to go.
SL-C750- pdaXrom beta 1 (mostly unused)
Current distro: Gentoo

TRIsoft

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 332
    • View Profile
    • http://www.trisoft.de
Emergency
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 06:37:45 pm »
Sorry Capn_Fish,

but
Quote
http://www.trisoft.de/download/C3200-2006-04-05-13-00.zip
won't help you anything if your NAND is messed up.
You need to get the NAND backup:
http://www.trisoft.de/download/SYSTC320.zip

And after a successful NAND restore, get some coffee,
maybe a tasty pizza, take a deep breath and get:
http://www.trisoft.de/download/SLC3200SYSPART.zip
Then restore the harddisk partitions with this file and you're
ready to mess your Zaurus up again  

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan

TRIsoft

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 332
    • View Profile
    • http://www.trisoft.de
Emergency
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 06:49:48 pm »
Again sorry guys, but i have to vent some pressure:

All you people creating funny Roms for Zaurus models !

PLEASE !
Don't even provide instructions for users how to install
your Rom.

PLEASE TAKE 30 FREAKING MINUTES AND POST SOME
HELPFUL TIPS ON YOUR WEBSITE HOW TO GET BACK !!!ONEELEVEN!!

We're real patient people here. But since half a year we
have about three emergency calls a day like "i installed
PdaXRom and now i won't get into the DiagMenu"...
Please don't get me wrong. This is no affront to the PdaXRom
team. We really appreciate your work and this was just
an example, but unfortunately the most common cry for
help.

We know, that you think that your Roms are the one and
only that everybody has to use.
But please, please, please, why don't you add some useful
info in your readme's how to get back to shipping state ?
It's just a few lines and can be copied from a lot of postings
here. No biggy, trust me !

We love to help users in trouble. But trouble increased a
few thousand percent with UBoot, overwriting the flash,
destroying the included Diag.

Do you really want us to update the startup guide ?
Yes, i know, you want  

Believe me, just one more week and i'll add a section
"what to do if you f***ed up your Zaurus"...

Aaaargh. This kind of ranting is not really our style,
but we're really really unsatisfied with the actual situation.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan

SiduS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 52
    • View Profile
Emergency
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 08:05:48 pm »
Wow..

Thanks for the replies. I'll see where it gets me.

And sorry if I got anyone in trouble.

So just to make sure. The steps are..

1: Download http://www.trisoft.de/download/SYSTC320.zip . Put on Fat 16 SD Card. Boot into DM menu. Do a nand flash restore.

2: Download http://www.trisoft.de/download/SLC3200SYSPART.zip Put on Fat 16 SD Card. Not sure how to restore the harddisk partitions with this file. Is this the HDD Update in the DM menu?

3: Once hdd partitions are setup right download the Sharp Rom from
http://www.trisoft.de/download/C3200-2006-04-05-13-00.zip Put on Fat 16 SD Card and boot into the OK menu and flash to this.

Then Im ready to dl and install Beta3 as normal.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2007, 08:20:27 pm by SiduS »

HoloVector

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 533
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 08:54:15 pm »
Quote
Again sorry guys, but i have to vent some pressure:

All you people creating funny Roms for Zaurus models !

PLEASE !
Don't even provide instructions for users how to install
your Rom.

PLEASE TAKE 30 FREAKING MINUTES AND POST SOME
HELPFUL TIPS ON YOUR WEBSITE HOW TO GET BACK !!!ONEELEVEN!!

We're real patient people here. But since half a year we
have about three emergency calls a day like "i installed
PdaXRom and now i won't get into the DiagMenu"...
Please don't get me wrong. This is no affront to the PdaXRom
team. We really appreciate your work and this was just
an example, but unfortunately the most common cry for
help.

We know, that you think that your Roms are the one and
only that everybody has to use.
But please, please, please, why don't you add some useful
info in your readme's how to get back to shipping state ?
It's just a few lines and can be copied from a lot of postings
here. No biggy, trust me !

We love to help users in trouble. But trouble increased a
few thousand percent with UBoot, overwriting the flash,
destroying the included Diag.

Do you really want us to update the startup guide ?
Yes, i know, you want   

Believe me, just one more week and i'll add a section
"what to do if you f***ed up your Zaurus"...

Aaaargh. This kind of ranting is not really our style,
but we're really really unsatisfied with the actual situation.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=161290\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

I'm afraid to say it but, Marc has a very good point here.  I'm surprised that Trisoft, StreamlineCPUs, Conics, etc... have kept quiet about the situation for so long.  

In addition to better recovery documentation maybe altering U-Boot emergency boot behavior on the Z may help matters a bit.  The unresponsiveness to most standard key presses (Reset D-M, Reset OK) on the Z and a lack of indicator lights really freaks some people out.  If you don't know what you are doing with U-Boot it is very easy to mistaken your Z for being bricked.  Could the U-Boot emergency boot key sequences be remapped to Reset OK or Reset DM?  

I think that if that could done with the better documentation it would save the users and Zaurus vendors a lot of grief.

EDIT: Oh and Marc, I believe the correct section heading should be "what to do if you fscked up your Zaurus" since this is a *NIX device.  
« Last Edit: May 14, 2007, 09:01:28 pm by HoloVector »
I think I'm coming down with what kahm's got!  I now have 3 Zaurii in house!  ;)
Current: Zaurus SL-C3200 -  Bobby (Configuring pdaXii13 Akita with Full 5.4.9 upgrade running IceWM)
Zaurus SL-C1000 - Hachiko (Configuring Cacko 1.23 with evilJazz's new kernel)
Zaurus SL-C860 - Fett (Customized Cacko 1.23 with handmade Boba Fett Theme)
Symbol WiFi CF card|Buffalo WiFi CF Card|Buffalo Ethernet CF Card|Red Piel Frama Case|PDAir Case|Black Pelican 1020 Case|Pentopia Stylii|SaruTek Protectors|Transcend SDs (4GB 150X, 1GB 80X, 256MB 45X, 128MB 45X)|2GB PNY SD|2GB SanDisk SD|Transcend CFs (1GB 80X, 512MB 80X)|Sandisk CFs (4GB, 512MB, 256MB)|256MB Netac USB-CF|RH-1 Remote
Check out the ScummVM@tyrannozaurus page if you are an "adventurer" type of person.

ZDevil

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1998
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2007, 09:18:28 pm »
Thanks for your venting post, Marc, truly. I am not being ironic at all.

I should be found guilty here, but strangely I don't have such a strong feeling.

To be honest, months ago I and Chero were recruited to be responsible for clearing up the existing Documentation in the pdaXrom website, and we started preparing a new set of user documentation separately.
But ...
Several weeks ago I attempted to modify the "doc tree" in the pdaX website after the release of r197/r198. To my surprise, even though I was granted some editing right, i never managed to change the structure of the docs because of not enough user right I guess? And the existing documentation has a curious structure with highly technical information put first, leaving really user relevant information buried deep in the doc tree. My requests have never been answered. And how about the bugtracker? How useful is it in reality?
And I was actually aiming at writing on the new releases, but the experimental nature of the current builds threw me a bit off course. I did't have much motivation to write in this situation. Seeing not much I can do about now, and being unwilling to go back to the old betas, I decided to venture into OpenBSD a couple of weeks ago.
The development team did have quite a lot of exchanges in the mailing list in the beginning, but since the new releases the communication dropped suddenly and almost came to a halt, and I still don't understand why. Many suggestions (about both system bugs -- from keymaps to kernel building -- and management issues) have been made, but very little has been answered.
It's just my personal experience and nothing meant to be personal against anyone. The pdaX devs have indeed done a fantastic job to bring us the marvelous flatform, and I sincerely wish they will keep up the good work (esp. the success of Beta 1/3) and will continue to do so.
I choose to post here because now I feel the forum is more functional than the internal mailing list.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2007, 09:19:50 pm by ZDevil »

Life is too precious for hacking *too much*
Visit my Z screencap gallery[/color]
My EeePC 701 Black = Debian (Lenny) on IceRocks + Transcend SDHC Class6 8GB + 2GB RAM
My Zaurus SL-C3200 = Debian EABI (kernel 2.6.24.3-yonggun) on a swapped internal Sandisk Extreme III CF 16gb
My Debian EABI feed: http://matrixmen.free.fr/zaurus/debian/
My OpenBSD/Zaurus feeds:  Link1, Link2
[/i][/font][/color][/size]

Capn_Fish

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2342
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 10:50:51 pm »
Maybe we should REALLY consider getting out of uBoot? Or have it as an option?

EDIT: So as not to offend anybody, I have no authority to impose decisions of this magnitude upon the developers of pdaXrom (or anybody for that matter). I'm just voicing my thoughts.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2007, 10:53:42 pm by Capn_Fish »
SL-C750- pdaXrom beta 1 (mostly unused)
Current distro: Gentoo

Jon_J

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1853
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2007, 03:04:14 am »
Just my opinion...
**Newbie users, Stay away from newer versions of pdaxrom with 2.6 kernel and UBOOT**
UBOOT replaces the "Emergency" menu and thus makes it more difficult to return your Zaurus to it's "original" state.
I still consider myself a newbie, and I have had 2 Zaurii, (one for a year and ¼, and the other for 4 months)
My second Zaurus is about 4 months old, but "returning" to a Sharp based ROM still requires me to re-format my HDD and place the correct files on the HDD accordingly.
I am using pdaxii13, which is similar to pdaxrom beta 3. (See my signature)
I recommend any newbies, especially new users with their first Zaurus, to flash pdaxrom beta 3, or pdaxii13, (for C1000, C3000, C3100, & C3200).
For an older model, such as a C700, C750, & C860, use pdaxrom beta 1 or pdaxii13. (do a lot of reading of these pdaxrom subforums if using pdaxii13 on these older models).

Also, anyone with their first Zaurus should read and re-read as many threads in the pdaxrom subforum as possible before switching to pdaxrom from your original Sharp ROM, or even Cacko ROM
« Last Edit: May 15, 2007, 03:12:02 am by Jon_J »
C3100 Multiboot-->Angstrom 2007.12-r18 | Cacko 1.23 | ArchLinuxARM
C3200 pdaxii13v2-5.5-alpha4 Akita on NAND

Ambicom WL1100C-CF Wifi - Ambicom CF modem - Ambicom CF GPS - Belkin-F5D5050 USB LAN
Socket CF Bluetooth rev K - Iogear 4 port USB micro hub - pocket CF card reader
Targus mini USB optical mouse - 2 Targus SD card readers

SiduS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 52
    • View Profile
Emergency
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 05:52:22 am »
So can someone please confirm the steps so I can get my Z up and running again (please help with step 2):

1: Download http://www.trisoft.de/download/SYSTC320.zip . Put on Fat 16 SD Card. Boot into DM menu. Do a nand flash restore.

2: Download http://www.trisoft.de/download/SLC3200SYSPART.zip Put on Fat 16 SD Card. Not sure how to restore the harddisk partitions with this file. Is this the HDD Update in the DM menu?

3: Once hdd partitions are setup right download the Sharp Rom from
http://www.trisoft.de/download/C3200-2006-04-05-13-00.zip Put on Fat 16 SD Card and boot into the OK menu and flash to this.

HoloVector

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 533
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2007, 07:43:14 am »
If you got to the U-Boot stage only, in other words you did not get R198 installed, then you only need to do step 1.  

You only need to perform step 2 if the drive waas repartitioned with fdisk (that is something that would happen if you had tried pdaXii13 full or OpenZaurus or Angstrom.  The installer for pdaXii13 actually has the ability to reset the drive partition back to factory settings.

I do not believe you need to perform step 3 because the Trisoft NAND backup is already in English.  So only perform step 3 if your Zaurus starts up in Japanese.  
« Last Edit: May 15, 2007, 07:44:17 am by HoloVector »
I think I'm coming down with what kahm's got!  I now have 3 Zaurii in house!  ;)
Current: Zaurus SL-C3200 -  Bobby (Configuring pdaXii13 Akita with Full 5.4.9 upgrade running IceWM)
Zaurus SL-C1000 - Hachiko (Configuring Cacko 1.23 with evilJazz's new kernel)
Zaurus SL-C860 - Fett (Customized Cacko 1.23 with handmade Boba Fett Theme)
Symbol WiFi CF card|Buffalo WiFi CF Card|Buffalo Ethernet CF Card|Red Piel Frama Case|PDAir Case|Black Pelican 1020 Case|Pentopia Stylii|SaruTek Protectors|Transcend SDs (4GB 150X, 1GB 80X, 256MB 45X, 128MB 45X)|2GB PNY SD|2GB SanDisk SD|Transcend CFs (1GB 80X, 512MB 80X)|Sandisk CFs (4GB, 512MB, 256MB)|256MB Netac USB-CF|RH-1 Remote
Check out the ScummVM@tyrannozaurus page if you are an "adventurer" type of person.

SiduS

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 52
    • View Profile
Emergency
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2007, 08:37:17 am »
As per my original post I did successfully get r198 to load.

I just need confirmation on step 2 as the instructions given were not clearly defined.

Thanks.

TRIsoft

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 332
    • View Profile
    • http://www.trisoft.de
Emergency
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2007, 08:56:33 am »
Hi SiduS,

i'm sorry, but there's no perfect recipe for step 2.
What you definitely have to do is to start your Zaurus
into command line (the "D"+"B"+PwrOn thingy).
The following steps depend on how your harddisk is
looking. In worst case, you'll have to repartition it
with the fdisk command, format the partitions and
restore the contents of the first two partitions with
the files in the "SLC3200SYSPART.zip"...
This means a lot of manual mounting, copying...

The needed files and also the information how the
three partitions need to be (size / type) are in the
included textfile.

Try to work your way through this. If you run into
trouble, post it.

Fingers crossed

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan

ZDevil

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1998
    • View Profile
    • http://
Emergency
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2007, 09:35:19 am »
There is surely a solution to this. As far as i know there is one posted in a Chinese forum in Taiwan with very clear instructions for exact partitioning of the microdrive when doing restore:

http://forum.palmislife.com/viewthread.php?tid=70529

Although I own a 3200 I have never tried this solution, so i'm afraid i can't explain it to you directly lest things should be further messed up. But some Chinese users here (e.g. dinorex and Fatty) have done this successfully. Perhaps you can ask them for details.  
« Last Edit: May 15, 2007, 09:37:28 am by ZDevil »

Life is too precious for hacking *too much*
Visit my Z screencap gallery[/color]
My EeePC 701 Black = Debian (Lenny) on IceRocks + Transcend SDHC Class6 8GB + 2GB RAM
My Zaurus SL-C3200 = Debian EABI (kernel 2.6.24.3-yonggun) on a swapped internal Sandisk Extreme III CF 16gb
My Debian EABI feed: http://matrixmen.free.fr/zaurus/debian/
My OpenBSD/Zaurus feeds:  Link1, Link2
[/i][/font][/color][/size]