Author Topic: Pdaxrom Developement  (Read 33318 times)

Capn_Fish

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2342
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2007, 02:24:25 pm »
Quote from: jpmatrix
Quote from: Capn_Fish
Because I, for one, am too cheap to buy new gadgets on a whim. The Zaurus is also an almost-perfect platform, and there is much work to build off of, making development easier. Plus, those people who have started Zaurus projects (eg, pdaXrom) are likely going to be loathe to not finish them.

yes, and i've paid my zaurus so high that i would not sell it for a non better device  i really appreciate the form factor of the zaurus, the usb host, the keyboard and the screen (although 800x600 would be better). no device out there give the same high level of satisfaction for a so small device  

anyway when you talk about pdaxrom do you talk about pdaxii13 too ?
I generally just talk about pdaXrom unless specifically stated otherwise. I haven't used pdaXii13, so I couldn't really comment on it if I wanted to.
SL-C750- pdaXrom beta 1 (mostly unused)
Current distro: Gentoo

stupkid

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 578
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2007, 04:24:17 pm »
Quote from: merli
Quote from: koen
Quote from: merli
just dont care if it is hardfloat or sofftfloat if it is eabi or armel or armv5te or armv5tel binary

It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.

Maybe I missed the point, I am not developer. I'd like (and I think I am not alone) to understad all about this "hardfloat, softfloat, eabi, armel, armv5te, armv5tel etc" (can you explain please?) ... but my question is simple ... Can I run for exaple Garnet VM or any other Nokia binary on Z in any distro? If yes ... then how? if not then ... why? And I am sure if Garnet VM will be released on Windows Mobile (for Access it is only a bit of rewrite to other SDK) it will run on any WM machine. Do you catch my point?

How about this question "What makes you think that the creators of Garnet VM intended it to run on any other embedded Linux platform?".  From the looks of the product page it was intended only for Nokia devices, therefore, how can the expectation of using it on other platforms be reasonable?  My point is that if a closed source developer chooses to only support one platform then you are stuck with that choice.  The Linux community cannot tell the folks at Nokia how to develop their applications.

I think what you getting at is a standard for all Embedded Linux software, but that is difficult with all the variety of devices that Embedded Linux runs on.  Such a standard could be created just like the Linux desktop standards, but I am not aware of such a thing at this time.  Even if such a thing existed it would require a developer to target their applications to this standard if they wanted it to run on other systems.

Zaurus SL-C3200 pdaXii13v2 5.5 / Ambicom WC1100C-CF / Socket Bluetooth Rev G


OpenMoko FreeRunner - Running Tweaked OM2008.x Image

speculatrix

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3703
    • View Profile
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2007, 05:52:37 pm »
Quote from: koen
It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.

I presume though that this still doesn't allow you to use old binaries (e.g. Sharp's proprietary applications) even if you load the old libraries too?
Gemini 4G/Wi-Fi owner, formerly zaurus C3100 and 860 owner; also owner of an HTC Doubleshot, a Zaurus-like phone.

desertrat

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 743
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2007, 08:59:08 pm »
Quote from: koen
It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.
At last Koen has made a useful contribution to the pdaxrom forum   I've always wondered what EABI was but it had never been important enough for me to actually go and find out. Now I know, thanks.
SL-C3100 / Ambicon WL1100C-CF / pdaXrom 1.1.0beta3 / IceWM

adf

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2807
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2007, 09:11:34 pm »
Quote
I generally just talk about pdaXrom unless specifically stated otherwise. I haven't used pdaXii13, so I couldn't really comment on it if I wanted to.

..anything you can say about the new direction?
**3100 Zubuntu Jaunty,(working on Cacko dualboot), 16G A-Data internal CF, 4G SD, Ambicom WL-1100C Cf, linksys usb ethernet,  BelkinF8T020 BT card, Belkin F8U1500-E Ir kbd, mini targus usb mouse, rechargeble AC/DC powered USB hub, psp cables and battery extenders.

**6000l  Tetsuized Sharprom, installed on internal flash only 1G sd, 2G cf

jpmatrix

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1014
    • View Profile
    • http://matrixmen.free.fr
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2007, 02:17:53 am »
Quote from: desertrat
Quote from: koen
It seems you completely missed the point of EABI, it's the new _standard_ by ARM ltd that allows you to mix hard- and softfloat binaries. There's a reason why angstrom and maemo are using it and debian wants to.
At last Koen has made a useful contribution to the pdaxrom forum   I've always wondered what EABI was but it had never been important enough for me to actually go and find out. Now I know, thanks.

you can also rtfw :
http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort    
**Fujitsu U1010 !!!  
**ex-Zaurus SL-C3000 owner with Debian kernel 2.6.24-yonggun

Capn_Fish

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2342
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2007, 07:44:21 am »
Quote from: adf
Quote
I generally just talk about pdaXrom unless specifically stated otherwise. I haven't used pdaXii13, so I couldn't really comment on it if I wanted to.

..anything you can say about the new direction?
Nope. I'm not "in" on this decision. InSearchOf will have to be making the statements, I'll just offer opinions and perhaps advice.
SL-C750- pdaXrom beta 1 (mostly unused)
Current distro: Gentoo

InSearchOf

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1144
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2007, 08:47:04 am »
Sorry, to keep you guys on a branch waiting for the big news... I just want to make sure everything is 100% before making an announcement. The reason I made this announcement is because I didnt want January 1st to come around and then I say that nothing has been done for the past month... Just keeping the community in the loop.

If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

Thanks for your patience
Late
Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 and SL-6000L
pdaXrom Developer
Please visit pdaXrom.org for updates
My Blog
IRC #pdaxrom @ FreeNode

jpmatrix

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1014
    • View Profile
    • http://matrixmen.free.fr
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2007, 08:56:05 am »
Quote from: InSearchOf
Sorry, to keep you guys on a branch waiting for the big news... I just want to make sure everything is 100% before making an announcement. The reason I made this announcement is because I didnt want January 1st to come around and then I say that nothing has been done for the past month... Just keeping the community in the loop.

If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

Thanks for your patience
Late

be sure we will wait and will not sell our mighty Zaurus before christmas
**Fujitsu U1010 !!!  
**ex-Zaurus SL-C3000 owner with Debian kernel 2.6.24-yonggun

cortez

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 375
    • View Profile
    • http://www.omegamoon.com
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2007, 09:49:48 am »
Quote from: InSearchOf
If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

The death of pdaXrom, too bad, but long live... well, my bet would be debian  
Although it would be better to join forces with the OE guys, I can't imagine that some people would set their pride aside, so I don't think this will happen. That's my second bet.
Hopefully it's a choice that will keep some of us from having to buy new gadgets for a while.
[div align=\"center\"]== == == == == == == == == == == == == ==
www.omegamoon.com
Zaurus SL-C750 - Died in a dreadful coffee experiment, has a second life somewhere in the Czech Republic
Zaurus SL-C1000 - Multiboot Zubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Poky, Android and others
Zaurus SL-C3100 - Development device, currently Zubuntu 2.0
Zaurus SL-6000L - The fridge is running Zubuntu 1.0
Zaurus SL-C860 - Cacko, untouched since kindly donated, waiting for Zubuntu
== == == == == == == == == == == == == ==[/div]

InSearchOf

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1144
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2007, 01:57:36 pm »
No new gadgets...

Late
Sharp Zaurus SL-C3100 and SL-6000L
pdaXrom Developer
Please visit pdaXrom.org for updates
My Blog
IRC #pdaxrom @ FreeNode

Capn_Fish

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2342
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2007, 02:29:49 pm »
Quote from: cortez
The death of pdaXrom, too bad, but long live... well, my bet would be debian
What do you mean "the death of pdaXrom?" It's not dead to the best of my knowledge (Did I miss some major announcement?).
SL-C750- pdaXrom beta 1 (mostly unused)
Current distro: Gentoo

arnpsyke

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 14
    • View Profile
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2007, 05:46:16 pm »
I hope that pdaxrom 2.0 will be released a day. I am a big fan of pdaxrom. I have tried debian, angstrom , openzaurus and I go back always to pdaxrom. I am actually on pdaxII13 v 5.5.5 from meanie which is for me the best rom ever

adf

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2807
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2007, 06:07:37 pm »
Quote from: InSearchOf
Sorry, to keep you guys on a branch waiting for the big news... I just want to make sure everything is 100% before making an announcement. The reason I made this announcement is because I didnt want January 1st to come around and then I say that nothing has been done for the past month... Just keeping the community in the loop.

If this goes the way we want... it will be a VERY good thing...

Thanks for your patience
Late
LMAO... that has to be the most tantalizing post I've seen this year. Good luck with whatever it is!
**3100 Zubuntu Jaunty,(working on Cacko dualboot), 16G A-Data internal CF, 4G SD, Ambicom WL-1100C Cf, linksys usb ethernet,  BelkinF8T020 BT card, Belkin F8U1500-E Ir kbd, mini targus usb mouse, rechargeble AC/DC powered USB hub, psp cables and battery extenders.

**6000l  Tetsuized Sharprom, installed on internal flash only 1G sd, 2G cf

Jon_J

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1853
    • View Profile
    • http://
Pdaxrom Developement
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2007, 08:08:55 pm »
Just one newb question.
Will pdaXrom 2.0 ever be able to be installed without U-boot?
There seems to be many, many, posts about the troubles people have with U-boot.
I am still using pdaxii13, (thanks Meanie)  
I am hoping a future 2.6 kernel version of pdaXrom could be used without having to install U-boot.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2007, 08:09:24 pm by Jon_J »
C3100 Multiboot-->Angstrom 2007.12-r18 | Cacko 1.23 | ArchLinuxARM
C3200 pdaxii13v2-5.5-alpha4 Akita on NAND

Ambicom WL1100C-CF Wifi - Ambicom CF modem - Ambicom CF GPS - Belkin-F5D5050 USB LAN
Socket CF Bluetooth rev K - Iogear 4 port USB micro hub - pocket CF card reader
Targus mini USB optical mouse - 2 Targus SD card readers