Ogg-Vorbis: Zaurus: What file extension should I use?

[TonyOlsen]

ok... let\'s start with the basics... I remember that \"vi\" had many \"modes\" and each mode did something different.  In typing normal stuff I often accidently end up in one of these modes and every keys means something and before I know it my whole document has be changed/corrupted.  How do oyu switch between modes?  When I\'m in text mode (I press Shift-C when the vi starts), I type stuff... but when I press \":\" it doesn\'t go to \":\"-mode... it just places a \":\" on the screen.  I tried pressing \"#\" and it did the same.

Then I get stuck... I can\'t exit \"vi\".  I close the terminal, but the file is still locked... and then I have to reboot the Zaurus just to make another attempt.

...so... how do you switch between \"modes\"?  I can test and play around as long as I know that at any point I can simply \":q!\" and quit the program without saving what I\'ve messed up.

[Greg2]

There are others, I use VIM and I\'m not trying to be a smart ass.

It was only last summer that I felt the same way about VI and VIM. Here is what I had to do to edit a large script and you may want to try it.

Edit your file in windoze, then copy to zaurus and use dos2unix/unix2dos -here:
http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=157

Greg

[Greg2]

I don\'t want to tell you something that will mess you up because your keyboard is different than mine...I don\'t have a C-series. All I have to do is hit the (cancel) button on my Z (not on the keyboard) then the colon :  to get in command mode.

Greg

[TonyOlsen]

I searched on google for a number of vi summary pages and finally figured out enough to edit both files above (mime.types and musicplayer.desktop).  I saved the changes and rebooted my Zaurus.

I must\'ve done something wrong in the musicplayer.desktop file, because now the OGG files AND MP3 files no longer have any applications associated with them.  When I double clicked on the ogg file, I get \"No application is defined for this document.  Type is audio/ogg.\".  That tells me that I probably did the mime.types file correctly, but messed up on the musicplayer.desktop file.

I looked at the desktop file again.  I had changed:
MimeType=audio/mpeg
to
MimeType=audio/mpeg/ogg

...but I should\'ve done:
MimeType=audio/mpeg;audio/ogg

Again, I\'m stuck in \"vi\".  I press ESC (FN-W) (The pages I found said you can also press CTRL-3, but since on a Zaurus CTRL-3 is FN-SHIFT-3, it doesn\'t work, since FN-3 is taken as \"Dim Screen\").  Nothing worked... I\'m stuck!  ...but for some reason \"DEL\" (FN-BS) puts me back in the needed command mode and then I\'m able to \":wq\".  Phew!

Again I reboot...

Now it recognizes the ogg file and opens up musicplayer when I click on the ogg file... but musicplayer itself doesn\'t recognize the file.  It looks in the directory and doesn\'t see anything except the mp3 files.

Is there something else I was supposed to change in the desktop file... or maybe another file?

[TonyOlsen]

I even reinstalled the vorbis-plugin... same thing...  I suspect something else is needed.

[TonyOlsen]

I\'m playing it now on my 5600 with the standard sharp media player and the same ogg-vorbis plugin. It\'s playing at 6kHz stereo just fine, quality not quite as good as the 44kHz stereo I use but it\'s file size is a lot smaller.

Greg

Greg2,

Did you have to do anything to tweak the media player to get it to work other than modifying the mime.types and desktop files?  I also noticed you weren\'t running it on an SL-Cxx0.  Would that make a difference?  Do you have the same musicplayer I have?

I\'m going to start up another forum for getting ogg vorbis to work with music-player, since it is slightly off the original subject of extensions.  (Sorry about that)

[Greg2]

I didn\'t have to tweak anything on my 5500 or 5600 to play the ogg file you attached to your post at start of this thread. I have the original sharp media player with the ogg-vorbis plugin that you also have a link to. So I can only assume the c-860 is different.

I can also add the fact that the sharp media player can recognize the ogg file extensions with out the plugin, but fails to play.

Greg

[TonyOlsen]

What is the media player?... is it a music player or movie/video player... or both?  On the 860 audio-only and video-with-audio and separated out into 2 separate applications.  Are they only 1 application on 760 and previous models?

[vektor]

Hi Tony,

editing files on a Z may be a hard job. Some tips, that may be helpful:

- pressing CANCEL for \"ESC\" in vi is OK;

- with ZEditor you can make a \"save as\" into your home directory, edit the file, save it, an copy it (as \"su\") back to its origin location; I don\'t know why ZEditor doesn\'t save the file in etc even with root-priviliges;

- if you have got a lot of money (maybe $15.95 or so) get the tkcEditor (thekompany.com). It is is a \"full-feature\" editor with all things you can imagine. It also works in the etc-dir.

- another possibilty would be the built-in editor of the tree!Explorer (can be found at killefiz.de); I testet the plus-version (30 day limit or so); not bad, but it is also commercial ($10).

Frank

[TonyOlsen]

Awesome advice!  Thanks!  

I\'m going to keep learning vi.  I may buy one of those other editors, but \"vi\" is everywhere in Linux and Unix OSs and I need to tackle this someday (even though I may complain about it  ).  I\'ve already figured out some basics and I\'m able to open, edit, and save files (although I still sometimes end up with weird results).

[Greg2]

What is the media player?... is it a music player or movie/video player... or both?  

It\'s the qtopia-mediaplayer_1.5.0_arm.ipk for music I use a separate video player.

Greg

[PsionX]

Install Midnight commander... http://www.dasgehtdichnichtsan.de/zaurus/smbmount.html
do under Konsole  : \"su\" and \"mc -a\" , to edit is F4 (\"cancel\" + 4)
Beautiful with last Cacko and Konsole in full screen

[TonyOlsen]

PsionX, Thanks!

Greg2, which one do you use to play ogg files?  Is the vorbis plugin built for qtopia-mediaplayer_1.5.0_arm.ipk or for something else... or for both?  I\'m trying to locate the player&plugin combination to let me listen to ogg files.

[TonyOlsen]

Greg2,

I can\'t find qtopia-mediaplayer_1.5.0_arm.ipk on the internet (google, killefiz, zug, etc).  Where can I find it?  Is it GUI or command-line?

[suruaZ]

Vi(m) is cool! Learn it a bit and you\'ll have no troubles.
And don\'t forget to restart QTopia to activate changes you made with MIME  :wink:

I just tried this qnres3.ogg file and wonder the level of distortions on maximum volume level. If I move volume one level down it\'s became better. Is this due to low bitrate or some problems in plug-in-player set?

suruaZ