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Mickeyl

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2004, 07:57:41 pm »
Provided that I don't get hit by a bus, OZ 3.5.1 will be announced and available for download somewhere in September @ the OpenZaurus site.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2004, 08:34:06 pm »
That's scary, don't get hit by a bus!

Are you the main co-ordinator/developer?

Seeing as September is only days away, will people be impressed with OZ 3.5?

I'm rather liking 3.3.5 which is on my Z now, as none of the sharp variants would run my new Wifi card.

Does OZ 3.5 allow the Hancom 1.5 apps to install?
Is OZ 3.5 Opie still or GPE or either?

Does anyone else want to contribute their thoughts based on my original post?
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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2004, 06:40:36 am »
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Seeing as September is only days away, will people be impressed with OZ 3.5?

Yes, it's nice (I have it on my 5500).

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Does OZ 3.5 allow the Hancom 1.5 apps to install?

Er, all of the OZ releases have allowed them to install - assuming you get an ipk with a properly formed control file.

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Is OZ 3.5 Opie still or GPE or either?

Either.


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« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2004, 07:29:24 am »
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Provided that I don't get hit by a bus, OZ 3.5.1 will be announced and available for download somewhere in September @ the OpenZaurus site.
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2004, 08:04:42 am »
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Er, all of the OZ releases have allowed them to install - assuming you get an ipk with a properly formed control file.

Seeing as the downloads from the ZUG don't have properly formed control files, would it be possible for someone to repair them and reupload them before OZ 3.5 goes live?

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Is OZ 3.5 Opie still or GPE or either?

Either.

Are the apps consistent between the environments? Or do they differ, which environment is the most productive? Are there apps which will only install on one environment and not the other? Which environment is likely to get the most attention as OE advances?
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2004, 12:36:28 pm »
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Seeing as the downloads from the ZUG don't have properly formed control files, would it be possible for someone to repair them and reupload them before OZ 3.5 goes live?

If I have time, I will have a look at them (I have a thesis to write! - damn!).

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Are the apps consistent between the environments? Or do they differ, which environment is the most productive? Are there apps which will only install on one environment and not the other? Which environment is likely to get the most attention as OE advances?

A GPE app won't run under Opie and vice versa. The apps differ, the GPE and Opie apps were developed independantly, however the same sorts of things are available for both.

I presume both will get lots of attention. Take a look at www.handhelds.org and you can find a list of apps, screen-shots, etc. for GPE and Opie.


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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2004, 12:45:54 pm »
Poor you, my best friend is having thesis stress too.

Which environment and apps are likely to get the most attention? Which shows the best potential?

I know it's all about choice and so forth, but having so many environments seems like a facture of effort and resources that could be spent making one unified amazing environment. Just my belief on the matter. Look how much better Palm/Pocket PC is compared to the Linux offerings, perhaps not just due to being a commerical product, which helps I know, but perhaps also due to a greater focus in objective. Maybe.
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2004, 01:33:57 pm »
BTW, I know this topic has taken a bit of a turn, so I'm curious to know if anyone else has any thoughts and feelings about the future/lifespan of the Z5500  
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2004, 06:35:24 am »
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I know this topic has taken a bit of a turn

:-), true, my last comment then.

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but having so many environments seems like a facture of effort and resources that could be spent making one unified amazing environment

It's only two environments - Opie (framebuffer GUI) and GPE (X11 w. Matchbox GUI): the GPE packages should be able to install on an 'Opie' machine and be run through something like XQt. There are two groups of people doing this - those from familiar (iPAQ) who have always been X11 based and those from OZ who have always been framebuffer based.

In truth the two will continue anyway, so it's best to have them close together, hopefully then some cross-pollination will occur - the iPAQs have 2.6.x kernels already for example - and also in terms of the apps and the backends (PIM db, etc.), making moving from one to the other easier.


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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2004, 10:47:32 am »
The SL5500 is still a great machine.  I had a pocketPC before and it was not that great.  Most of the software you had to buy.  And if it had bugs or didn't work right, too bad.  Most Zaurus software is free.  And the software you buy for it is usually very well done and worth it.
The Z does everything I need it to do and then some.

My experience with OZ/Linux/Zaurus has been that if want it to do something there is almost always a way.  To illustrate I'll go over a common daily routine:
-Z wakes up and syncs a few files with my home computer.  (Secure Shell)
-It jumps on the internet and loads weather radar images and the NOAA tabular weather report.  I ride a motorcycle so this is important to me.  (wget and Opera)
-Then the Z starts streaming internet radio. (Xmms)
-It shuts down the radio and speaks "The time is now 6:00am." (flite16)
-I Wardrive into work. (Kismet/Wellenreiter)
-Get into work and set the Z in the usb cradle
-The Z syncs my calendar info not with my PC, but and internet account.  It's safer that way.  I then sync my PC's calendar info from the same internet account. (KOPI/SSH)
-I connect to the Z from my PC and check for any interesting data from my ride into work.  Note: There is a command line program called "strings" (already on the Z) that will print only ascii strings from kismet data.
-I start up Winamp on my PC and listen to music stored on the Z.  We're not supposed to have mp3/ogg files on the PC's.  (Samba)

I don't know what it would take to do all that with PocketPC, but I'm sure it would be painful to get it all set up.  In fact, Microsoft has probably dropped support for my old PocketPC.  No more Operating System upgrades and eventually no more compatible software.  While my Z is alive and well and waiting for the latest OE OS.

 
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« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2004, 11:38:30 am »
That sounds very impressive, but also absurdly complicated.

I wouldn't have a clue how to do some of the things you talk about and I also wouldn't have known that such things could be done. I will admit that I'm not of the nature to faff in such a way so as to get it to do stuff like that either.

Perhaps what is really needed is a resource on how to get more out of the Zaurus?

But it also high lights something I made a reference to earlier. The Zaurus is a great machine if you want to do lots of non standard things, but pretty poor if you want to do simple, standard type things.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2004, 01:02:23 pm »
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The Zaurus is a great machine if you want to do lots of non standard things, but pretty poor if you want to do simple, standard type things.
Absolutely right, though I must add that you shouldn't forget that - from a software engineers perspective - it's the simple things which are really hard to implement.

Shielding the user from the inner complexity is a very complicated and time consuming task. Consider the simple example of a nearly self-configuring network settings which - upon card insertion - leads you through the configure process by asking a couple of simple questions. To implement such an obviously "simple thing" you need to write wrappers for a couple of different user land interfaces and daemons, you need to write hotplug, pcmcia, and apm glue, and much more.

PalmOS got that right but they use i) a much more simple and less flexible base operating system, ii) worked with much more people and it iii) matured over the years. Essentially an evolution which Linux based PDA GUIs will go through eventually. KDE 1 wasn't simple either, however KDE 3 is something I could install on my mother-in-law's PC.

Unfortunately, the PDA OSS community is fragmented and split up, and has a misratio of developers to users. This doesn't mean that we (as the PDA community) won't get there at all, but it means that it will take a LOT of time to get there - at least if we don't get some paid full time developers or much more part time volunteers.

P.S. Sorry for hijacking the thread again, but that had to be said
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2004, 03:33:02 pm »
I still love my 5500.  I run the same old Sharp ROM (3.1) as I have since it came out.  I guess if I used more networking/wireless features, I might understand why people are anxious for a continually advancing OS, but I don't so I don't.  What I like best about the Z is what drew me to it originally: it is expandable (SD and CF cards) and uploadable (JAVA apps).  I use it as a mobile computer and only accidentally as a word processor/PIM.
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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2004, 10:10:10 am »
Mickeyl,

How's the bus dodging?
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2004, 10:32:33 am »
Nothing in sight.... aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhh  
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