Sl-6000l On Amazon For $300 Right Now!

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Hey Borak.. with the brand comes an implicit assurance of quality control. we've been over this. I agreed to buy from a 3rd party seller they endorsed...  their endorsement turned out to be worthless.. More to the point they know that there is no product in shipment. The point at which they know should be the point at which their guarantee kicks in.  I don't owe them loyalty or money or a right to control my funds given that they steered me to a fraud under their brand, and they do not take immediae action withintheir policy to rectify the situation, but rather employ the letter (one possible interpretation thereof) rather than the evident intent implicit inthe gurantee to my least advantage. I have posted several nearly identical frauds on this thread in part as a demonstration of amazon's poor quality control and/or indifference to its customers.  I agree that they have a right to be bad at business.. I do not agree that I owe them charity or support as a result, nor that this interpretation of their transaction guarntee is correct. In fact, in my account, on that order, I am theoretically able to aplly for the a-z now..according to them. yet not so by their recent email. which is is right? The one that lets you make snide comments?  They are a mess. Period. I want my money out of their hands and in mine, where it belongs.  Do you really have a problem with that?  Did you miss the part about 2 business day guarntee shipping as part of their policy?  Do you beleive the z's were shipped? If not and all parties know that to be the case what does that imply, given that it was written as a guaranteed part of my transaction?  do you just beleive that whatever a big business says must be true because they are big...even when they contradict themselves?
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[offroadgeek]

I'm waiting for amazon to provide the refund.  Even though they should know this is an obvious scam, they probably have to wait out the period as described in the a-z policy for insurance reasons.

What?  You willing to be reasonable and live up to the policies you both agreed to?  

el_borak - I don't understand if your question is intended to be sarcastic or real?  If sarcastic, then I don't understand your point.  If real, then yes, I am willing to wait it out.  I'm confident that amazon will refund all my money, and it's within 30 days so I think that's reasonable.

I've already purchased another 6000L, and will be receiving it tomorrow morning   yippee!  So I'm happy.

[el_borak]

el_borak - I don't understand if your question is intended to be sarcastic or real?  If sarcastic, then I don't understand your point.  If real, then yes, I am willing to wait it out.  I'm confident that amazon will refund all my money, and it's within 30 days so I think that's reasonable.

Sorry, didn't mean to be so subtle.  It was a reference some of the earlier hyperbole where a vocal few seemed willing to settle for nothing less than Jeff Bezos' head on a platter, policies be damned.

I questioned the logic and rationalism of such a stand, but certainly respect their right to rant, human nature being what it is...

[Little_Goomba]

I just finished going through this thread.

Man, am I lucky!  I ordered a Z from 3rd party Amazon, then found a seller on ZUG 15 minutes later.  All this happened in Late Nov, before Pettins got on board.  It took about 5 emails, but this completely different seller looked legitimate.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/seller/at-a-...r=AYNZVL7D0ZVZJ
Anyhow, I got a Z in great shape, and it looks like I dodged a bullet.

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Who wanted bezos head? have you succumbed to frail human hyperbole you subtle little devil you?

[el_borak]

have you succumbed to frail human hyperbole you subtle little devil you?

More times than I care to admit to (at least to anyone other than my analyst)...

[alouette]

Some of you waiting for the Amazon refund may be interested to know that my son had ordered 2 Z's from jpettins.  He received one refund from Amazon the other day--had to call and point out that it is supposed to be for TWO units, purchased in the same transaction.  So, someone is alive (but not functioning very well) in Customer Service....

dmk

[PZee]

Well I just got off the phone with Amazon.  At this point I am really disappointed with Amazon's response to this case.  A-Z gaurantee, blah blah, it's not past my latest possible delivery date, blah blah.  The person on the phone actually tried to tell me I might still get my item by the 24th.  I laughed at her.  I realize she's just a phone drone and doesn't care about the situation, but still.

C'mon, give me a break.  You know that chances are Amazon is the one that closed jpettins shop down and they probably caught the fraud before he got a penny of the Z monies.  Now they are just sitting on our cash and giving us the A-Z bullplop story.  Ya gotta wait 4 weeks, no really.  

I believe that I'll be able to get my money back from Amazon, but damn, I wish I didn't have to deal with it during my holidays.

 

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Here's some fun:
12/19
on amazon.com stoobieselectronics ( a new seller) is selling a z6k for 498
on ebay.com stoobie777 (stoobies electronics) is selling the sam thing for 413

The appear to be the same seller, unless the amazon one is a clever "id mimic" using a proven ebay vandor not currenlty on amazon.
what does that say? That the general concensus is that amazon buyers are..dim? gullible?
sigh.

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PZee's theory would go a long way tyo explaining why amazon doesn't have a few simple, obvious, fraudstopper policies in place.  I had wondered why similar frauds seem to keep cropping up, ie scummsucker@yahoo,com addresses. If it was not in amazon's interest to prevent them  eg--they were good at catching them and held payments for a tiny profit over a  month anyway this would be  "good business" in the contemporary American sense (no responsibilty/maximize short term yeild at any future cost--hire Arthur Anderson).
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[PZee]

Oh BTW, I noticed on Amazon's site that when you attempt to invoke the A-Z gaurantee through the web site (Through that "Problems with your order?" link) it says you have to wait at least 30 days from the day you placed the order.

On the phone they have been telling me (and I assume others) that you need to wait a couple days after the last delivery day which is only 23 days or so.   I've tried to submit a claim but it yells at me over the 30 day thing.  

Next week, when the delivery period expires I suggest that everyone call Amazon rather than try to submit online because it will probably deny your request and tell you to come back in January.  I hope that next week the CSRs don't tell me to call back in Jan, I think I'd throw a fit

[Tom61]

Interesting, there is another seller listing the SL-6000L for $300 now. No feedback for this seller yet. It says to email them. I was curious, so I did here's the reply:
"Popescu Mihail Viorel    
to me
   
  Hello,  
 
The company i reprezent only accepts Western Union Money Order , due to some frauds which took place in the past. In order to provide you with safety also , we decided to colaborate with Amazon on concluding the deals as following.
We have an account opened to Amazon , which provides secure deals and insurance for buyers which make the payment by Western Union.To proceed with this , we need your personal details ( Name , Adress, State, City , Zip , Country ).
We deliver the product to Amazon , and as soon as they receive it they are sending you a confirmation about it , and that you can safely send the payment to us using Western Union Money Order. As soon as we receive the payment , we contact Amazon about delivering the product to you.
In case we deny that you have sent the payment , you can prove to Amazon
that you made it by your receipt for Western Union , and they will return you the lost funds at once.
We believe that this way is working great for both parts and safe at the same time.
 Thank you and waiting for your reply at once

tom61 wrote:


    I saw that you have the Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L Handheld listed on
    Amazon.com for $300, and that you needed to be contacted before
    purchase. Is there any important details you need to impart? Do you
    have any sort of references? You don't seem to haveany feedback
    through Amazon's system."


Looks like a scam to me. Western Union sets up a big red flag in my head.

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I've had nearly the same email. pretty amazing really.

See if you can make 'em do stupid stuff...
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[offroadgeek]

I wonder if we can manufacture a western union money order... or is that illegal?

[neuroshock]

Hey Guys,

Hmmm...lets take a few moments out and have some fun with this.

First of all yes it would be illegal to make a fake WESTERN UNION financial document of any kind.  It is NOT illegal however to make a WEZTERN UNION document, and as this writer is obviously a non native English language speaker I'm sure we can come up with something similar that would probably be close enough to pass muster with them. (notice he likes to use Z's instead of S's? Probably a Russian or a Breakaway Soviet State citizen.)

Having said this, let me clarify myself a bit as I have sat on a jury that decided a case where a similar thing was done illegally.  The law specifies that it is illegal to make a document with the intent of using it to financially defraud the recipient by using intentionally deceptive methods.  While this language seems pretty concrete it is actually pretty ambiguous and far reaching when you get right down to it. But forget all the misc. stuff about the legalities and simply understand this:

1.  In order to be legal it cannot be an exact duplicate as I stated above, (but something different but close is fine).

AND

2. We cannot use it to defraud this Amazon "Vendor" of his money or any item he may be selling for "financial gain". (read: if he actually SENDS us the Zaurus we must immediately return it. And we would need absolute proof/evidence that we indeed did return it- certified mail return receipt requested etc.)

My instincts are that we won't have to worry about returning it because it will never arrive.

Now here is the downside of the plan.  Every Western Union money transfer has an identification number, (it's plainly on your receipt), and surely what this guy would do is to call Western Union and check to see if the number is legit- especially if he is in doubt.  That would sink us UNLESS one of us actually BOUGHT a REAL money transfer from WU (sending the money to a safe destination such as your wife, parents etc.) for the exact amount we need.  Then we simply copy the id number over to our "Weztern Union" document, this will make it seem more legit.  Just do NOT have your relative cash it until after the joke is over because if they do call and it's already been "delivered" and cashed they will tell him on the phone.  So if anyone decides to do this they will have their $300 tied up for a few days and will be out the price of the transfer fee.

Ok I've had a bit of fun telling you how to manage some of the details so now I've got to pull the rug out from under you and show you why it'll never work!  It's simple.  He sells his product through amazon.com.  You buy it and send the money order to AMAZON.COM not to him.  So he'll never see the "fake" document and Amazon will pass the attempt directly to the FBI the moment they see it and it all blows up in your face!  And Irony of Ironies - you the innocent citizen who was trying to punish the "scammer" go to jail, while Amazon.com's system completely protects the "Scammer" from not only the fake money order but also from our best attempts to give him the spanking he deserves!

Welcome to AMAZON.COM!

Where you can get less for more.    


-NeuroShock