Email On The C3000 - A Lost Cause?

[Raybot]

Hi all!

I sense I'm hitting my head against walls that others have hit before ... I find references here and there on this list (and other sites) but I'm not able to find much in the way of answers. One of the big reasons I had for getting the Zaurus was the belief that I could take my email on the road (without having to boot up my laptop - a huge Dell Inspiron 9300). Unfortunately, everywhere I look I get headaches ... can anyone shed any light on any of these?

QTMail (default mailer):
Tried using this initially ... until I realized it doesn't do SSL (the servers I connect to use IMAP over SSL and SMTP over SSL). Rules this one out straight away unfortunately.

Thunderbird:
My first preference - I use this on my full sized laptop for my IMAP accounts (alongside Eudora for my POP accounts) ... jumped through various hoops to get it working, finally got it working ... only to find that it's too darn slow. I can handle it taking a minute or 2 to start up (I just won't shut it down) but taking ages to change views between emails, from recieve to send and so-on (because of X/Qt) just makes it too hard to use (the time taken to check and reply to email is about the same as it takes for me to take out my big laptop, find somewhere to put it and do the same thing!).

OM/Pi:
Looked promising but it still seems to take ages to do anything (and doesn't actually tell you if it's doing something or if it's just crashed). Also doesn't seem to be able to (easily) just go online, grab all new mail then pop offline again for perusal later (like you can with Thunderbird). I could be wrong - can someone more familiar with this point me in the right direction (preferrably to some documentation on how to use it - I still haven't found any yet!)?

Pine:
An old favorite of mine ... managed to get it working (lost about half an hour fighting a corrupt version of libncurses though). Until I realized that the Zaurus doesn't have sendmail. Or does it? I haven't been able to find anything but then again I hear people on the list using Pine and Mutt (see below) ... has anyone gotten SendMail working?

Mutt:
A friend's favorite ... I figure I can't be a well rounded Linux person if I wasn't familiar with both Pine and Mutt ... but same problem - it seems to rely on SendMail.


So there we go. Just a simple task - the ability to log into an SSL-IMAP server, grab email, go offline, read/reply to mails, pop back online then send them (via SSL-SMTP). You'd think it'd be dead easy ... but I've had no luck so far.

Anyone got any hints or pointers? Or is it really this hard?


- Raybot

[rebski]

I am disappointed to hear of your poor experience with Thunderbird, I had been looking forward to getting it up and running.

My own favourite email app on my old 5500 was tkcMail, however they are not maintaining support for the Cxx series. Which is odd because most of their other apps have been optimised for the clamshells and run perfectly on my C1000.

[bam]

that stinks, well kinda wasted 100.00 on a wifi card then, well half wasted, I still do the i-net dealie, but I really want mail on my Elsa(yes I named my 3100, so what)

[rebski]

Maybe if we were to petition tkc, preorder or whatever they might consider Cxxx development

Check out
http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcmail/

To quote: -

tkcMail has the following features:

Supports SMTP, POP3 (with SSL).
IMAP support
SMTP authentication types supported: cleartext, PLAIN, LOGIN and CRAM-MD5.
Messages may be stored in RAM, on a Compact Flash (CF) card or on a Secure Digital (SD) card.
Limiting message downloads. Currently total download size can be limited. More options will be added in the future.
Identity and Send Profile support so you can have multiple inbound and outbound configurations depending on your location.

[Raybot]

Well I've currently decided to use Thunderbird whilst I try to find something better. Creating a swapfile (I've made a 128MB swapfile) as per https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Creating_a_Swap_File seems to help (at least it doesn't pop up a low memory warning every 10 seconds) but it's still slow as all heck. Just scanning through emails is bearable though (as long as I don't close Thunderbird - with the swapfile I can keep it running in the background).

For me at least, the wifi card isn't a waste - I intend to sync (using KO/Pi and KA/Pi) through wireless anyway (with the "master" copy on an always-online compjuter). Still, I was expecting a nice, fast email client to be available ... I guess Pine comes close in terms of browsing (but with the inability to send).


- Raybot

[kahm]

SSL support for sharp's QtMail is possible using stunnel - but I've never used it myself. There was a website detailing how to set it up, but I can't remember what it was.

[vputz]

Just checking--did you try opie-mail?  I could swear I used that with IMAPS to my home server... although I admit I can't confirm sending anything; I didn't have wireless access much, so it was more for jollies, and I could have remembered wrong.  This was on a 6k/OZ 3.5.2.

-->VPutz

[Raybot]

Just checking--did you try opie-mail?  I could swear I used that with IMAPS to my home server... although I admit I can't confirm sending anything; I didn't have wireless access much, so it was more for jollies, and I could have remembered wrong.  This was on a 6k/OZ 3.5.2.

-->VPutz

Yup tried opie-mail ... but I couldn't figure out how it was trying to handle offline mail ... basically it'd just die on me whatever I tried to do (my aim was to get something that I can pop online, grab mail, go offline, read and queue up email answers then go online to send and download new mail). Part of the problem is I can't find any docs on how to use opie-mail! Am I looking in the wrong place?

SSL support for sharp's QtMail is possible using stunnel - but I've never used it myself. There was a website detailing how to set it up, but I can't remember what it was.

Cool, thanks for that! I'll look into it ... although the other problem is does QtMail do offline mail properly? I'm reading things on other websites that seem to indicate that it tries to grab everything all the time (which won't work for me given I've got a somewhat huge inbox!).


Thunderbird, apart from being somewhat slow, seems to be working reasonably well for me. The version I'm running (0.6 - once I get crosscompiling working I'll see if a newer version works ... or has someone already done it?) has problems downloading the "inbox" folder for my account (which maps to .incoming_mail on the server so responds a little differently) - I've ended up moving all my mail to another folder by default and it seems to behave relatively nicely now. Actually, as long as thunderbird itself isn't paged off to disk, it seems reasonably OK ...

I'm still tempted to try and see if I can't get Pine or Mutt working, perhaps with Nullmailer ...


- Raybot

[daniel3000]

Mutt:
A friend's favorite ... I figure I can't be a well rounded Linux person if I wasn't familiar with both Pine and Mutt ... but same problem - it seems to rely on SendMail.

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I tried to set up mutt as well. I can receive and send mail with mutt now (using nbsmtp instead of sendmail with mutt, and using fetchmail and procmail to receive and filter mails).

However, mutt itself causes some problems. No colors are displayed on the qKonsole and the ASCII characters visualizing the thread structure are displayed as blocks instead of lines (but in X/QT in the rxvt terminal, there are colors and the correct thread "graphic" characters). And in qKonsole AND X/QT's rxvt the German Umlauts (special characters) are displayed as \xxx (xxx being a dec or octal character code).

If you have any pointers for these problems, please let me know.

My mutt setup is desctibed here (besides many other setup and configuration notes I took during setting up my Zaurus):

[a href=\"http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/zaurus]http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/zaurus[/url]

Search the Productivity Setup page for the keyword "mutt".

daniel

[daniel3000]

SSL support for sharp's QtMail is possible using stunnel - but I've never used it myself. There was a website detailing how to set it up, but I can't remember what it was.
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Probably it was this one:
[a href=\"http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/cacko-faq.html]http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/cacko-faq.html[/url]

Quoting from the page:

Q: Can I read Google Mail using Sharp Email client?.
A: Yes:
Edit /etc/inedtd.conf, make sure that stunnel related lines are uncommented
Edit pop3.conf and smtp.conf cofiguration files in /etc/stunnel directory, enter Google mail server addresses instead of dummy ones
Execute "sudo kill -HUP inetd" from console
Add new account in Email client, using localhost as server name

daniel

[Kerensa]

I am trying to set up Google email with the Sharp Email client. I made the changes to inedt.conf, but can't seem to locate the stunnel directory. I just moved tp the c3kb1 ROM.  Any suggestions?

Thanks

I installed openssl from http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=2434
 
made the changes to inedt.conf and using the settings here
https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...indpost&p=91967

Now have kopiemail working with gmail.