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« on: April 08, 2004, 01:42:18 pm »
I really liked the screen.  The unit though is to big to fit on your belt and quite heavy in the pocket.  Not much work was done on the new interface or new applications.  Load time is slow on legacy applications.  Mail client would not do ssl.  Pine would not load without errors.  Did not want to test the non vga commercial mail client tclmail.  Battery time is too little for doing much browsing via web.  Terminal program did not have a good set of fonts to use.  Sharp site  not much help or looking like they are planning to support the new units very well.  I really wanted the unit to work but it was just a little clumsy and needed to be more like a laptop for the price.  I would like to see what a larger cg screen could do running a full linux install to get around the app problems.   For an enterprise specific solution it may work but I think a new clamshell would be nice to try with integrated communication components.  I have a sl 5500 and could not justify the difference in price between how I would use the sl 6000.  I can carry my 5500 everywhere but the bigger size of sl 6000 made it more like trying to lug a reduced funtionality notebook without much software support.

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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2004, 03:16:38 am »
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I hope you kept the receipt.

A clamshell machine would not help you, it has almost the same software and issues. But you can always go back to the 5500.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2004, 11:23:32 am »
Like they say it\'s for enterprise,Sharps stand is take it or leave it.Plus in the field a clam shell would be chore to open and close constantly plus it can\'t take as much of a beating. One has the looks the other the braun.

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2004, 02:34:35 pm »
How can it be for the enterprize market?  The apps they have are crap for the most part.  They won\'t open up their source for the desktop, so how can companies  modify or develope enterprize software for it.  

Sharp has their head up their ass on this.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2004, 03:06:32 pm »
The assumption is, the enterprise market doesn\'t really care about the built-in apps.  The enterprise customer wants to buy 1,000 units, install their own special custom application on each one, maybe scanning barcodes or whatever, and thats the only application people use.  The built-in apps are just \"bonus\".

(I\'m not saying the argument is correct, but that\'s probably what they are thinking)

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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2004, 03:49:42 pm »
Yeh but how are they (Enterpirze developers) going to customize the desktop if sharp will not release their Qtopia source.  I\'ve asked for it and got shot down.  

We have a very kick ass application and now need to modify the desktop a tiny bit.  Things like modify the files tab.  Move the barcode thred from our application to the desktop.  A couple of minor things. really.  Sharp told me it would violate  their agreement with Trolltech.  Last I looked Trolltech was still releasing their version of Qtopia.


Oh well.  I will keep developing for the Zaurus until another product comes along.  

By the way we have a very cool aluminum case for the 6000 being made.  It houses the 6000,sled,wireless sprint card, and the SDG bar code reader.   It should be complete in a couple of weeks.  When it gets done I\'ll post some pictures of it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2004, 04:36:52 pm »
Believe me when you\'re a company ordering x amount of units you get the source code. My contact sent me a license to get the source, so I\'m waiting on an email. It should have been here yesterday but their was protocal to be followed , so I only have a license so far.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2004, 04:48:45 pm »
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Believe me when you\'re a company ordering x amount of units you get the source code. My contact sent me a license to get the source, so I\'m waiting on an email. It should have been here yesterday but their was protocal to be followed , so I only have a license so far.

What kind of license is it?  And whose?  (Trolltech or Sharp?)

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2004, 02:15:39 pm »
Sharps. Even TrollTech can\'t get their hands on the Qtopia/Sharp source code.
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2004, 02:58:00 pm »
Anyone know why the heck Sharp is so adament about holding onto their Qtopia code? Its not like its so darn polished that rivals are hankering to \"steal\" it. Its their HARDWARE that is worth protecting -- not the software!!

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2004, 04:56:28 pm »
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Oh well.  I will keep developing for the Zaurus until another product comes along.

If you\'re that dissatisfied, there are other platforms.




Regarding what others have said, as I understood it the source code does get released after a short period, no doubt delayed either for commercial reasons or due to bureaucracy.

http://developer.ezaurus.com/sl_j/source/source_dl.htm


I\'m not too keen on the topic of this thread but a couple of thoughts do pass thru my mind so here goes, flame away if you wish.

Personally, I like the fact the Z is not a mass consumer device, they let the 6000 to be sold in relatively small numbers in the US as an enterprise tool, enterprise my ass, its a replacement for the 5500 and 5600. Even if one does use it as an enterprise tool, I believe the platform is do deploy custom applications, not rely on the built-in ones as such. The exclusivity of the Zaurus makes it an appealing device for me and the worst thing Sharp could do is sell all the models worldwide. Suicide. Imagine all the newbies with a plethora of questions like \"why cant it run windows\" or \"why dont it do X or Y\", but far more damaging would be the gripers, the moaners and malcontents.  The suits on the top floor of Sharp HQ would pull the plug.  Fortunately, the current model Sharp follows means there is a process of attrition, the nay-sayers tend to be culled by the cost and importing process. I think that\'s a good thing, the vast majority of posts here are from people who love the Z and enjoy it and the variety of ROMs etc.  The Japanese market aside where the Zaurus brand has been successful for the best part of the last decade, Sharp are under no obligation to make the Z, it\'s not a profit issue, so I am thankful they do make it and there is a process by which I can get one, without the Z, the PDA landscape is bleak and boring. I can\'t forget how the user base of the Helio was a key player in it\'s demise, the whinging and bitching put the final nails in the coffin, shame, it was close to becoming a good Linux PDA.

Also, there is one key point, if you don\'t like it, don\'t bloody well buy it, there is a huge selection of PDAs and handheld computing devices including for the \'enterprise\' market.  Personally, stuff the enterprise market, the Z always has been and for as long as they continue, always will be a device primarily for Linux users and people who want more than an elementary PDA. With our myopic views of life and short memories we forget a few years back there was nothing like this, Linux users had been praying for a Linux PDA, for me that prayer was answered in the form of a 5500 and now a 860.

Rant done.

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2004, 11:46:52 pm »
Some more:

1.  What\'s with the crappy battery meter?  It goes from 100 to 75 to 50 and so forth.  They couldn\'t be bothered to do accurate measurements?

2.  Still haven\'t added a real time clock.  Lame.

3.  WiFi range isn\'t as good as I hoped.

Still a nice machine though.  

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2004, 12:51:27 am »
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Yeh but how are they (Enterpirze developers) going to customize the desktop if sharp will not release their Qtopia source.  I\'ve asked for it and got shot down.


I think that enterprise developers would be more interested in using the IBM Websphere Everywhere functionality with the 6000 to allow their users to access existing enterprise apps currently running on the websphere platform.  At least that makes more sense to me than customizing the desktop for their users.
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