Apt? Dpkg?

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DOes anyone use these on 3.5.2? how? with what configuration? what repositories? dselect and debian arm in the apt sources on a z with native x and gtk would be about the coolest thing I can imagine!  (barring kernel 2.6)  Is this the purpose?   anyone?

[h2gofast]

I second the motion, I've been spoiled by debian's apt-get.  It just works.

[CoreDump]

I don't see a reason why you couldn't use it.
You "just" need to convert ipkgs status information to the apt/dpkg format.

Of course, the big advantage of ipkg (its small size) would be gone but it's certainly doable.

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hmm I wasn't really thinking of using dpkg/apt to manage openzaurus feeds.though now that you mention it   I was thinking more along the lines of using apt and dpkg (they are both in the feeds right now btw...hence the topic) to use debian arm packages. bigger, I agree, but storage just gets bigger and cheaper (and  handhelds get more powerful...) and the debian arm stuff runs just fine in pocketworkstation, so I thought maybe  it would be a worthwhile direction--to have both optimized ipk openzaurus stuff (like a gtk1 firefox) but also have easy access to debian arm --say you wanted to instal scite of a full featured gaim, or vlc or something.
Mostly i thought my life would be alot easier if i could use debian on my z the same (or similar anyway) way i do at home. It would sure add some momentum to oz ,too, I bet.

Any thoughts on using oz X apt n dpkg and other oz-optimized ipks along side  debian-arm to do real laptop replacement stuff? can it even be done? (I am upgrade shopping and kinda have my 5600 frozen on a working set up just now)
or even (and it would be needed either way) a way to use dpkg to manage oz ipks without too much manual agony?

[CoreDump]

so I thought maybe it would be a worthwhile direction--to have both optimized ipk openzaurus stuff (like a gtk1 firefox) but also have easy access to debian arm --say you wanted to instal scite of a full featured gaim, or vlc or something.

Fash a GPE image, install apt / dpkg and fire away.

Mostly i thought my life would be alot easier if i could use debian on my z the same (or similar anyway) way i do at home. It would sure add some momentum to oz ,too, I bet.

I don't think a 240x320 screen will leave any room for X11 applications. So basically, you can only use
shell tools from Debian ARM on your Z.

Any thoughts on using oz X apt n dpkg and other oz-optimized ipks along side debian-arm to do real laptop replacement stuff? can it even be done? (I am upgrade shopping and kinda have my 5600 frozen on a working set up just now)

As long as you don't run any X11 apps with a need for a display > 320x240 and < 64Mb of RAM you are fine. But lets face it. Most apps exceed these limitations.

or even (and it would be needed either way) a way to use dpkg to manage oz ipks without too much manual agony?

You could write a script to convert ipkgs meta data into an apt readable format. Host it on your homepage and others don't have to endure much "agony".
Or in other words: No.

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the screen res is  not as much of a problem as you might expect  In fact, gpe is X gui stuff displayed on a 240x320 --kinda obvious when you think about it  (it came from "matchbox"  a wm that can be found on the debian repository btw).... x apps displayed through xqt from pocketworkstation aren't perfect, but are better than I had guessed they would be --even firefox can be used , though with a few workarounds. the problem with the display might be more along the lines of the plain debian x-server having no idea what to make of Z hardware--and me the user not being informed or skilled enough to tell it.  I was thinking that maybe the oz machine specific k-drive might help out there., like it does when I run gpe.  I guess that means gpe is indeed the way to go, as recommended by a post that went on to tell me my screen wouldn't do X. ( can k-drive do forwarding ?)

the memory  on a 5600 is an issue- --swap helps..

As to the apt/ipk issue, I personally didn't see much point in managing ipks with apt.. I thought coredump was interested in that and so included mention of it things that might be possible. My take is really that dpkg and apt are in the feed. why?
are they there, or can they be used, to take oz's kernel and k-drive  and matchbox and go debian? If not why are they there? maybe that is something interesting too...

 Coredump has suggested that this can be done. i am assuming this means I hack the relevant conf files for apt and dpkg from the ones on my sid box and pop 'em on the z in the approriate places?  Are there plans to provide default configs for these? (yes, if I make it work out I will post the conf files)

I put this topic up to see if anyone was interested in doing this, or had already done something like it.I see people in xqt doing deb on 6ks . there is a guy on the 3k forum doing interesting stuff through modified vnc. here  in OZ are the best set of tools for the job, some really good developers and a lot of zusers who seem to like tinkering. Are there really that few people trying this?

I'll start in a day or two on my 5600 (if i don't sell it)  otherwise when its replacement (860? 6000?3000? comes. )
If i have any luck i'll let you know.
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well, looks like i'm moving to a 6000l
When it comes, I guess the 1st thing I'll try is oz/gpe chroot to an existing pocketworkstation debroot and see if I can't fire up icewm
Depending on how that works i'll look into migrating back to oz apt/dpkg and make use of better system (ie light n power, oe compiled ipks where possible, softfloat optimized wm stuff like that) integration. I guess the first issue there would be insuring that  fat debs ONLY got installed to the a card and never internally. I have high hopes that I can get dpkg-divert to do this. The .deb size issue is really worth keeping in mind--though judicious use of debshrink should help

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