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Seagate Microdrive - Not Cf Flash Type
« on: April 20, 2005, 03:21:08 pm »
There's a number of 5GB seagate microdrives turning up for sale on ebay, and it seems that seagate have put special firmware in them so that they behave like IDE drives and not CF flash memory.

They're usually quite a bit cheaper than the CF memory cards, for obvious reasons, but it occurred to me that the Z is likely to be able to use the drive given that it runs a real OS.

Does anyone have any light to shed on the matter.

Apparently Seagate are none to happy about these drives turning up on the open market, I think they were intended for a specific application. There's a lot of discussion about the crippled drives not working in cameras and PDAs on things like DP Review.

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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2005, 05:00:48 pm »
No? has anyone got a Seagate microdrive working at all?
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2005, 06:43:12 pm »
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No? has anyone got a Seagate microdrive working at all?
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I purchased a 5GB Seagate CF microdrive awhile ago and it works fine in both my C760 and my desktop's USB 2.0 CF reader.

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2005, 05:20:21 am »
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I purchased a 5GB Seagate CF microdrive awhile ago and it works fine in both my C760 and my desktop's USB 2.0 CF reader.
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can you quote what version text is printed on the card? thanks!
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2005, 07:31:32 am »
I was under the impression that all CF cards are treated like ide devices.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2005, 08:51:31 am »
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I was under the impression that all CF cards are treated like ide devices.
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I thought so too, but then I saw an ebay listing of one of these and it warned it was IDE mode and not CF, so I googled, and...
[a href=\"http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=seagate+microdrive+firmware]http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=seagate+microdrive+firmware[/url]
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2005, 07:47:31 pm »
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can you quote what version text is printed on the card? thanks!
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P/N: 9AF212-001
Model: ST650211CF

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2005, 10:50:53 pm »
From what I have read the OEM ST1 drives that have FW3.04+ or that are pulled from MP3 players ARE fully compliant BUT have had the CF/II interface DISABLED in the Firmware, and ONLY work in IDE mode.

There is a abig thread on this subject on this board here:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_to...um_id=52&page=1

Looks like Seagate is none too happy these drives are on Ebay.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2005, 10:58:20 pm »
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2005, 04:30:21 pm »
I got smart and got a muvo2, took the drive out of it and put it in my c860 (with cacko rom) ... but no drive there ... boy I feel stupid :-)

information on the back of the drive is:
sn: 3me0p444
p/n 9af212-001
model st650211cf
date 05132

I think it's a ata drive since there's no firmware number on it but it says +5v somewhere on the bottem just above the "for embedded application only"

I still hoped my zaurus can acces this drive but fdisk can not read it ... I can however format it on my desktop xp thingy but only in fat32 and no possible partition info or repartition possibillity since it's in the usb cardreader slot ...

Who can shed some light on this (I read a lot of the available posts but no solution yet)

Can the Z beat seagate ??
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2005, 04:57:05 pm »
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Who can shed some light on this (I read a lot of the available posts but no solution yet)

Can the Z beat seagate ??
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what does "cardctl status" and "dmesg | tail" say? does the Z recognise it as any sort of device at all?
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2005, 05:33:24 am »
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Who can shed some light on this (I read a lot of the available posts but no solution yet)

Can the Z beat seagate ??
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what does "cardctl status" and "dmesg | tail" say? does the Z recognise it as any sort of device at all?
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with only the microdrive in place

cardctl status:
socket 0:
3,3v 16 bit pc card
socket 1:
no card

dmesg | tail:
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
FAT bread failed in fat_clusters_flush

so I'm new to the whole linux thing (I should get me a linux for dummys)
The zaurus has a menu item to eject drives (right bottem corner in cacko) and it says there as an option:
"eject card 0: ata/ide fixed disk"
So I guess it's found something...
(also I can hear the drive clicking when I start the zaurus)
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2005, 05:51:41 am »
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with only the microdrive in place

cardctl status:
socket 0:
3,3v 16 bit pc card
socket 1:
no card

dmesg | tail:
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
rw_swap_page: bad swap file
FAT bread failed in fat_clusters_flush

hmm. it does sound like there's a block device in place; I don't know what it would be called, /dev/hda or /dev/hdb. I am speculating that the firmware prevents a regular partition table being written.

Can you try "fdisk -l /dev/hda" (then hdb) etc? and see if one of them gives anything useful - even if there's no partition table it should help us identify which block device it is.

We could then try writing directly to the block device with "dd".

Paul
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2005, 09:58:06 am »
hmm. it does sound like there's a block device in place; I don't know what it would be called, /dev/hda or /dev/hdb. I am speculating that the firmware prevents a regular partition table being written.

Can you try "fdisk -l /dev/hda" (then hdb) etc? and see if one of them gives anything useful - even if there's no partition table it should help us identify which block device it is.

We could then try writing directly to the block device with "dd".

Paul
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Hee Paul thanks for the help I'm on my way in Linux got me a linux for dummies but it seems a bit too basic ... oh well got to start somewhere

fdisk -l /dev/hda got me only an empty line with "#"
so I mistyped it or I trie the hdb now ...

fdisk -l /dev/hdb got me the same ... is it fdisk -L<space> /dev/hda?

I'll try them al through hdz ...
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2005, 10:46:41 am »
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(also I can hear the drive clicking when I start the zaurus)

Does it actually spin up though, I wonder if the drive is trying to draw too much power?


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