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« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2005, 12:07:16 pm »
bluetooth keyboards ????
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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2005, 12:08:34 pm »
Hats off to Nokia for using 2.6 kernel and well established debian distro. That's what Sharp should have done in the first place with C3K/C1K release instead of continuing agony with its dirty hacks on obsolete 2.4 kernel. Intel ships 2.6.9 with its pxa27x development board, and there's no reason to cook something under the table anymore.
I hope Nokia won't do Sharp's mistakes and will follow open source development.
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« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2005, 12:19:12 pm »
Ha!  That's what I use the 6000 for today while it webserving too!  I just hope it doesn't turn out to only do limited colours like the archos


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... considering the nice screen and built-in Wifi, by adding a keyboard and a rdp or vnc client it becomes a cheap substitute for those Windows "Smart Displays" (Mira) that MS floated then abandoned a couple of years ago.
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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2005, 12:35:26 pm »
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It says on the Nokia site that it's not yet compatible with USB keyboards which would imply that it's got USB host.
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Yes, that is the main question for me too. It does say "USB device mode" in various places though, but if it can be made to support a USB keyboard in software
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er, it's got bluetooth, and you'd not want to fiddle with cables, you'd use a bluetooth keyboard, surely?

the biggest gripe, for me, is expansion's only MMC card, at the very least it should have been SD/SDIO or better yet CF.

maybe it's MMC like the Z is MMC, i.e. it can use SD cards in MMC mode, because of the lack of SD/SDIO drivers for linux?

at this price, there's going to be a few Zaurians trying them out, so we'll discover in due course what it's really like.
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« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2005, 01:05:18 pm »
doesn't bluetooth drain more power than using a USB keyboard (non lit)?
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« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2005, 01:46:07 pm »
I saw this thing on engadget as well.  It's interesting alright.  It's intro price blows any Zaurus's debut out of the water.  

 The lack of CF or SD is kinda worrisome though.  I would guess most of us are already fairly heavily invested in SD and CF cards, but for this thing we'll have to go get RS-MMC...

  The anemic processor is another area to watch, a NEW handheld debuting at only 220mhz in a world where 300mhz - 624mhz is the order of the day seems an odd choice. But the SL-5500 can play AVI and MPEG passibly, so if this thing is tweaked well in it's software it should do fine...

 As for the keyboard...I agree. *I* would want one, probably anyone reading this thread would want one, but the target demographic for this device doesn't seem to be the shade tree hacker and hobbyist that is likely any of *us*.  It's more of the point and shoot crowd, so I can see how the keyboard got 86'd on the design table.

 I still don't see though, why Nexio style KB's aren't more popular.  If the design were slightly improved (I'd say add a foldout stand on the back of the unit so it can stand up while the keyboard is in use without the docking station)it could work well. And it could be sold as an accessory so the stylus lovers wouldn't have to pay for it if they didn't want to.

 I suppose an OQO style slider would work too, but the unit would have to be much thicker...

 All said, it does still look like an interesting device to keep one's eye on...

 I'l pick one up when they hit $100 on eBay 1 - 3 years from now depending on their success.  I could leave it in the glovebox of my car and always have something to do...

 Also, I agree with the earlier comment...once wimax or whatever ubiquitous wireless standard finally gets implemented, devices such as these will be as common as cell phones (seen anyone use one of those today ?) and it's a smart move on Nokia's part to make a few little inroads into that market and test out the waters...

 About the comment concerning this devices being targeted more at the western market.  

 DEFINITELY....

 I was mildly shocked to notice that NO asian languages are to be natively supported.
So I guess this is yet more evidense that this is not designed to compete with the Zaurus.

 Yet...
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« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2005, 02:32:00 pm »
I dont know if this is feasible or is it like counting the chickens before they are hatched, but

"Gordon (Shawn) adds that TheKompany may also port its applications to the OMAP-based Nokia 770 announced yesterday."

from this link

Does that mean that the Nokia device will have support got QT based apps too ?
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« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2005, 02:47:36 pm »
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  The anemic processor is another area to watch, a NEW handheld debuting at only 220mhz in a world where 300mhz - 624mhz is the order of the day seems an odd choice. But the SL-5500 can play AVI and MPEG passibly, so if this thing is tweaked well in it's software it should do fine...
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Like I said before: audio and video codecs run on the DSP.  See [a href=\"http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/]http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/[/url] for some more info
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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2005, 03:17:17 pm »
thanks nilch.  that link pointed me to this picture

http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/nokia_7...net_tablet4.jpg

either big hands or small device.
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2005, 03:24:33 pm »
I'm giving some thought to picking one up just to help keep sales going to make the next  version

Seriously: The right OS. a dsp. a very good choicke of screen res.... if the thing had  better storage and a keyboard.....and usb..it would be PERFECT.
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« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2005, 03:43:12 pm »
There are some more "in the hand" photos of the device here.
Plus there's another (negetive) review here.

About the design - the thing slides on the sides to reveal some sort of a port or something. What port is that ?

Also, if they did incorporate a sliding device, why the hell couldnt they fit in a keyboard of some sort under the sliding mechanism ? That would have been great. Instead the who slide-out area seems to be blank except for a lone small port. Is that some sort of future expandibility feature they have left in intentionally ?
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« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2005, 04:32:29 pm »
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Well, if given a choice, I'd rather take my pick amongst a few hundred USB keyboards of all sizes and shapes costing at most 30 euros, than from a handful of bluetooth minikeyboards all above a hundred... And if a short USB cable means one less battery to care about, then I prefer that, too. But that's just me
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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2005, 10:20:50 pm »
It says on slide 20 (got to linux devices article) that a number of improvements were made to jffs file system for OMAPI to give it a faster boot time.  Wonder if these changes would be suitable for the Zaurus.

There are two things that puzzle me about this device, one software and the other hardware. On the software side why did Nokia avoid QT, especially since Trolltech is also a Norwegian company.  Could it have been cost issues, or being that this is a multimedia device were there performance issues with QT.

The hardware puzzle is that I read this is based on the OMAPI1710 which supports  both USB hosting and USB client, so why did Nokia only supply the client interface ( power conservation  ?)

Here is a diagram of the OMAPI1710 from TI's website: OMAP 1710
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« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2005, 12:59:07 am »
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Like I said before: audio and video codecs run on the DSP.  See http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/ for some more info
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 Thanks 'Koen'.  I sorta meant the reference to the software being done right as a nod to your comment (I probably should have been more explicit).

 But many thanks for the link...I was curious what this 'DSP' thing was and that link was quite informative.

 Don't get me wrong, I know raw comparative numbers don't always tell the whole story.  Case in point RISC vs. CISC.  And I know the slower/older processor probably saves money and prolongs battery life.

 But as far as it being 'anemic'...well, I suppose that discriptive term says more about ME than it does about the processor (basically, I'm insatiable when in comes to clock ticks   ).

 It's definitely and interesting looking device...

 Thanks again!
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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2005, 05:44:44 am »
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It says on slide 20 (got to linux devices article) that a number of improvements were made to jffs file system for OMAPI to give it a faster boot time.  Wonder if these changes would be suitable for the Zaurus.
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The OZ 2.6 kernels for clamshells already contain such tweaks for jffs2
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