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doppiaemme

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« on: January 05, 2006, 05:44:17 am »
Hi !

This is not a proper feature request or similar, I simply point out impressions from me and my colleagues (who never tried before pdaxrom) after some months using pdaxrom on a SL-6000

First of all I have to emphasize the astonishing capabilities of this environment...   A pocket pc user simply can't  imagine what is possible to do with Z and pdaxrom. But I avoid now to mention the specific peculiarities, all people on this forum know these distinctive features.

I know that 6000 users are a minority group but maybe some considerations could be useful also for clamshell users.

Our humble impressions are summarized:

-"PDA-like" use:
Actually pdaXrom is the most advanced system among all the rom available for Zaurus but it is not the most comfortable for daily "PDA-like" use. Calendar, addressbook, notes, voice recorder, etc are available but not so smart like on other systems/ROM.  I'd like to resume very quickly the PDA,  having these applications promptly available with their core features working well and in a simple way. For example from this point of view Sharp ROM is cool, it's easy to use, syncing, and with all basic features working well (alarm, writing, notes, etc). Also OZ is cool except some problems never solved.
I don't have much time to search a difficult-to-find solution for comon problem, it would be great to have them available after flashing and have more common documentation.

Please tell me what you think are the best solutions to this problems or if they are just solved but not available, on the nail, in a just flashed Z.




BTW I write now a list of wishes/opinions from the point of view of new users coming to pdaXrom with Matchbox (thanks to my colleagues for trying and commenting a new flashed pdaxrom).

My colleagues said:



-Resuming/suspending is slow!!!

-Missing good calendar/contact/etc  apps. kdepim, ka/pi, ko/pi,  have many problems, easy-syncing, alarms, time-to-load, too much "big" for the Z's LCD etc

-On 6000 all applications are "thinked" in landscape mode. Windows go out of border, resizing, maximize and moving windows is slow and heavy. (Xfce is better from this point of view)

-Never found a simple solutions to right click. I'd like simple "press&hold" the stylus but it doesn't work. Applet, keymapping and other things seems uncomfortable.

-Missing a smart file browser

-Never found a simple solutions to mapping all the keys on the 6000. the functions keys, the REC keys, rotate/lighting key etc. The standard mapping like in Sharp ROM would be great, with the FN key working correctly

-The software keyboard is not cool as the pop-up one of opie.

-Many settings tools and applet doesn't work properly (wireless, suspend etc)

-Sending/receiving file through IR fails when I tried with my 6000 (works with sharp rom)

-Bluetooth GUI tools would be great

-After rotating it wold be useful to have the arrow keys to also rotate, to scroll down a web page I have to press"left" (down in portrait)



I would like this post to help users and developers to build a stable and working system which could bring many other Z user to flash pdaXrom....

And, finally, many thanks to pdaXrom developers.

PS
About donations...
It could be a good solution to have donating system also related to feature requests...

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 06:10:22 am »
pdaXrom loaded with desktop software (which is as elephant in the crockery store).

So the only chance to solve problems is to write new software which will be PDA oriented.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2006, 03:47:17 pm »
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So the only chance to solve problems is to write new software which will be PDA oriented.
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And you end up with a brand new PALM  
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 04:18:33 pm »
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pdaXrom loaded with desktop software (which is as elephant in the crockery store).
So the only chance to solve problems is to write new software which will be PDA oriented.
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I don't feel the same.  Not all desktop softwares are elephants.  So many apps compiled directly from the source run fast on Z.  Quite a number of them actually run even faster than the PDA-oriented equivalents, such as terminal apps and text editors.  Now no more big need for any purely PDA-oriented apps, if there are choices.  The major reason is I want to make my Z a true extension of my home PC by getting both of them to run the same apps and to handle data in  exactly the same formats, then I can use email/a card reader/LAN/bluetooth/etc to maintain the data in a very straightforward manner.  Conduit issues have always dreaded me since the good time when i was embracing palm, and this is the main reason why I gave up palm and other pure PDAs.  
« Last Edit: January 05, 2006, 04:20:43 pm by ZDevil »

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2006, 02:55:03 am »
Your approach is good for office suits. I like to have gnumeric on my Z (no more converting hell!), but there is NO fast/small PIM software.

what about gnome's file open dialog? It doesn't fit on screen. It requires double click to open file. Both issues sucks.

where is game software? I like to spend my metro's time to solve solitaires (ok, liked when I held palm t3).

instead of compatibility/conduit hell we have speed/number-of-pda-aware-soft hell.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2006, 03:38:51 am »
My path is the other way round.  Once a hardcore palm follower, but now don't fancy the 'pdas' any more.    
For PIM apps, there are indeed some excellent choices, such as fltdj, jpilot, memo (requires python).
KO/Pi is great if you can bear the relatively long startup time but once launched it's very functional and useful.
Or for the nerds then Emacs planner.el or VimOutliners.  
There are also quite a number of very nice notetaking and outliners/planners, such as tuxcards, notecase, immendio planner, sticky notes, xpad, FreeNoteQT, IQnote, etc.  For financial management we got grisbi.  
All these apps do load and run very fast.  Speed is just not an issue for them.  Still many cool desktop apps are sleek, neat, compact and elegant, if you take a closer look.  
It may be a misunderstanding that zaurus does not offer a great number of app choices.  Rather, we can port them all the time.  That's why I've been trying to compile the ones I do find useful, and trying to share them with other users who are also seeking these solutions, at the risk of being accused by those saying "duh, compiling these apps is just darn simple; everyone can do it easily. Why bother to post them and waste web space?"  
I am no big fan of the gnome's file dialog.  So no comment.
Well I seldom play games, except a few simple ones like tetris and backgammon to kill time.  I prefer reading ebooks.  ;P
Yes I agree the choice of (small) apps for palm is its selling point.  But many (or most) of them can either feel like toys not meant for serious use, or often fail to live up to the conduit/syncing ideal.  The top killers, such as Agendus, Bonsai, LifeBalance, etc, all more or less have some glitches in the interface (ususally cluttering interface) and syncing.  Remember usually the good ones means you have to pay, not a small amount really) and they are not open source.
My favourites remain the plain vanilla PIMs, a few das (such as damemopad), progect and diddlebugs (well I know I shouldn't have talked about this here).  They are freewares but fortunately I manage to find equivalents on the zaurus side, and find these alternatives much more solid and reliable.  And again no more syncing hell.
The only thing I don't really like about the zaurii is the lack of builtin wireless capabilities.
I often talk with many palm-user friends.  What they usually perceive is a naive palm-IS-simple-and-zaurus/linux-is-overcomplicated dichotomy.  But the more I use zaurus, and use it for real, big, serious tasks, the more I see its beauty,... and got hooked.  
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2006, 08:28:48 am »
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For PIM apps
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Yes ok, I think that there are some way to solve the problems of the lack of PIM apps AFTER installing them, not in a just flashed ROM,

BTW the other issue in my first post, except the PIM apps, seems to be specifically related to pdaXrom...
I know that clamsheel users often don't have many of these problems, but in view of a stable release I really don't feel well with all these pestering things...
Note that many users came from linux but are simply users, not guru or geeks...
It would be great to have all the basic hardware and software features working well.

Why don't solve common issues rather than adding other (cool!) sci-fi tools :-) ?

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2006, 09:07:15 pm »
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"duh, compiling these apps is just darn simple; everyone can do it easily. Why bother to post them and waste web space?" 
I agree.  Compiling any single app usually doesn't take too long, but putting them all together adds up the time.  The biggest problem with precompiled ipks in my experience is that you don't know what dependencies they have and if they will work on my particular machine at the moment.  It's frustrating when 10 people have compiled the same app and they are all in different places that I have to find and download I can't actually find any that work.

The feed concept is nice for aggregation and easy of use, but it doesn't seem to work well in practice.  Even on Cacko, 1/2 of the packages in their own feed aren't compatible or don't work.

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Yes I agree the choice of (small) apps for palm is its selling point. 
I don't think that anymore, after owning a Palm for a long time you realize that hardly anybody offers source code so if it's almost what you want but there's something missing then too bad, and 3/4 of the developers think that their little piece of crap is worth $5 or $10 just because it's for Palm, when there's free software for Linux and most other platforms that does the same thing better, and they put all kinds of cripples and timebombs in their code that clutters up your Preferences database (like Windows registry) even after you uninstall the app.  There some worthwhile exceptions to this, but overall most Palm software is crap.

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The only thing I don't really like about the zaurii is the lack of builtin wireless capabilities.
You don't have a 6000 do you?  
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2006, 06:49:29 am »
Just a few notes, as I am browsing pdaxrom threads now:

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Your approach is good for office suits. I like to have gnumeric on my Z (no more converting hell!), but there is NO fast/small PIM software.


KDEPIM/PI 2.2.7 runs faster on pdaXrom than on Cacko ROM and it is great, too.
A few minor screen layout glitches, but in general one can live with that very well!

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what about gnome's file open dialog? It doesn't fit on screen. It requires double click to open file. Both issues sucks.

Fixed by Meanie now.
Install Meanie's hacked GTK lib and all file open dialogs will fit. Doubleclick: I agree, this is a bit annoying.

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where is game software? I like to spend my metro's time to solve solitaires (ok, liked when I held palm t3).

Try Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection (PPC). Great little puzzles, addictive! Don't know about solitaire.

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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2006, 12:55:25 pm »
Just happened to see a nice blog discussed in this thread: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21234
It's a very nice article on how to implement GTD with KO/Pi .

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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2006, 01:01:45 pm »
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Just happened to see a nice blog discussed in this thread: https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=21234
It's a very nice article on how to implement GTD with KO/Pi .
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Yes, I am already studying it and evaluating if this is something useful for me. :-)
Thanks for the pointer.
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2006, 06:11:01 pm »
i just switched back to pdaXrom. ( I left  in frustration over beta4 coming on top of the nearly, but not quite complete 2.4 versions )

A major issue in my switching back was my acquisition of a smartphone and internet connection to go with it.  This puts my pim apps on the phone, and lets me use my Z as a laptop.  
 just thought I'd mention the idea of intentionally not using the Z as a pda..but rather using a phone suite.
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2006, 08:38:56 pm »
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Your approach is good for office suits. I like to have gnumeric on my Z (no more converting hell!), but there is NO fast/small PIM software.

No?  I use fltdj and it does what I need.  Calender for scheduling, and an adequate (OK, only just) address book.  That's fast and simple.  The k* stuff is fancier, but neither fast nor simple.  But either way is available.

what about gnome's file open dialog? It doesn't fit on screen. It requires double click to open file. Both issues sucks.

Why not use a command line?  I have never understood the need to do otherwise.

where is game software? I like to spend my metro's time to solve solitaires (ok, liked when I held palm t3).

There is solitaire, but IMO only the seahaven is decent.
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2006, 03:41:15 am »
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I don't feel the same.  Not all desktop softwares are elephants.  So many apps compiled directly from the source run fast on Z.  Quite a number of them actually run even faster than the PDA-oriented equivalents, such as terminal apps and text editors. 
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Right.
I was very surprised how fast Abiword, Gnumeric, Sylpheed etc. work on pdaXrom compared to pdaXQTrom.
Well, compared to their Sharp/Cacko ROM "equivalents" the may load a bit slower and maybe react a bit more slowly, but hey, there is a reason why I put "equivalents" into quotes. The mentioned applications are much more powerful than most of the programs available for Cacko/Sharp ROM.
AND they are all free.

The speed impact is totally acceptable IMHO. And I am a power user with focus on fast and efficient workflows!

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2006, 11:46:19 am »
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The mentioned applications are much more powerful than most of the programs available for Cacko/Sharp ROM.
I wonder how they compare to the Pocket "Office" apps you get with wince machines
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