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« on: February 26, 2006, 11:18:00 am »
Since I can't get my new usb gps headless device working in the Cacko rom and someone,  apparently, has it working in pdaXrom,  i was "thinking" of trying pdaXrom on my C1000.

It looks like just setting up Kismet with a gui interface in pdaXrom requires an afternoon of work and arcane entries into the console - true or false??  
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2006, 02:50:59 pm »
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Since I can't get my new usb gps headless device working in the Cacko rom and someone,  apparently, has it working in pdaXrom,  i was "thinking" of trying pdaXrom on my C1000.

It looks like just setting up Kismet with a gui interface in pdaXrom requires an afternoon of work and arcane entries into the console - true or false?? 
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False, I would say it takes about ten or twenty minutes tops, assuming that you have a Prism2/2.5 card.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2006, 05:34:43 pm »
I guess it took me about 20 minutes to setup in Cacko ROM so I guess that's not bad.      Do most apps work on pdaXrom?  I have some money invested in theKompany software, for instance.



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Since I can't get my new usb gps headless device working in the Cacko rom and someone,  apparently, has it working in pdaXrom,  i was "thinking" of trying pdaXrom on my C1000.

It looks like just setting up Kismet with a gui interface in pdaXrom requires an afternoon of work and arcane entries into the console - true or false?? 
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False, I would say it takes about ten or twenty minutes tops, assuming that you have a Prism2/2.5 card.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2006, 10:02:22 pm »
i doubt tkc stuff will run. no qte.      great rom though..maybe you can find gtk replacements for your software?
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2006, 09:23:46 pm »
I realize that it is open to opinion but my experience is that Cacko/Sharp makes your Zaurus into more of a PDA. pdaXrom makes your Zaurus into more of a mini-sub-laptop. Both are great, both fill a niche.

I would not recmommed pdaXrom to Linux newbs who want to get the most out of their Zaurus unless they are ready for a bit of learning. But then it might be said... why would anyone buy a Zaurus unless they wanted to learn more about Linux?
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2006, 10:20:31 pm »
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why would anyone buy a Zaurus unless they wanted to learn more about Linux?
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Exactly.

I just switched to pdaXrom myself, I don't use my Z as a PIM (I've got a Blackberry I carry that does a fantastic job of that, what with wireless Exchange server sync and all) and pdaXrom seems to fit the bill just right!

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2006, 11:47:29 pm »
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I realize that it is open to opinion but my experience is that Cacko/Sharp makes your Zaurus into more of a PDA.

Well, if Cacko/Sharp is the most PDA-capable ROM, then I guess my C1000 is going up for sale on Ebay.    

I'm all for learning and using Linux, that's much what I bought it for. But it has to be more than a toy. I'm not going to carry both a Zaurus AND a Palm around. The minimum requirement for me is that I have to be able to use it as a PDA; it has to replace the Palm. If I can't sync, then it ain't a PDA!

We have a situation now where this old 5500-era Intellisync can't find the new Palm Desktop software any more (because Palm changed where it's loaded). And just to get Intellisync working on the PC was a joke anyway.

Look at this guy's experience with syncing:
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~vernaleo/zaurus.html

I'm faced with the prospect of begging or scrounging an old version of the Palm Desktop, throwing away my new one (and hoping the old one syncs with my wife's new Z22). Or, I could install Outlook (which I REALLY don't want to do) and move everything over to that, and cross my fingers that this old Intellisync kludge will sync better with it than it did with new Palm Desktop.

I've got 4 or 5 choices of ROM, yet as far as I know none of them have a clean, supported PIM solution that syncs with something as basic as Palm Desktop. Sounds like priorities are seriously off. All the fancy applications in the world and all the fancy OSs in the world are worthless if this thing can't PDA.

Sorry for being so negative; I'm seriously depressed right now. I only came to this forum hoping there might be a better situation with syncing than what I've seen with Cacko, but now I'm thinking it's futile. Anyone want to pick up on a new C1000?
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2006, 12:25:57 am »
ask the oz people?  it could well be that thers a good option in opie or gpe of which those of us who posted here are unaware. They might even look intop the problem a bit. Don't give up \so easily.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2006, 08:38:26 am »
Heh,  I totally agree with you.  There seems to be a concentration in development on "very technical seldom used by the majority of people stuff" on the Zaurus and inattention to the basics.

For instance, no one has mentioned or complained about Cacko on the C1000 not being able to recognize graffiti handwriting in the taskbar popup keyboard or ability to sync easily.  Also, nearly every old app from the 5500 that I've tried on the c1000 inexplicably goes into a black screen for about 5 seconds before it starts up....this didn't happen on the Sharp c1000 ROM.....why hasn't anyone tried to correct that basic problem?

Easy syncing of data seems to never have been a priority but has gotten worse and worse.  I actually BOUGHT (as in paid cash money for)  theKompany  tkcAddressbook which has turned out to be worthless for syncing of addresses.  You can enter data once and once only in the C1000 and for the 5500 you have to do a hard reset to sync with it with new data!  What kind of nonsense is that?  So commercially there appear to be no solutions to the syncing either.

I have managed to successfully sync my Windows XP PC with the C1000 regular address book and calendar through intellisync and Microsoft Outlook,  but I HATE Outlook.  

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I realize that it is open to opinion but my experience is that Cacko/Sharp makes your Zaurus into more of a PDA.

Well, if Cacko/Sharp is the most PDA-capable ROM, then I guess my C1000 is going up for sale on Ebay.    

I'm all for learning and using Linux, that's much what I bought it for. But it has to be more than a toy. I'm not going to carry both a Zaurus AND a Palm around. The minimum requirement for me is that I have to be able to use it as a PDA; it has to replace the Palm. If I can't sync, then it ain't a PDA!

We have a situation now where this old 5500-era Intellisync can't find the new Palm Desktop software any more (because Palm changed where it's loaded). And just to get Intellisync working on the PC was a joke anyway.

Look at this guy's experience with syncing:
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~vernaleo/zaurus.html

I'm faced with the prospect of begging or scrounging an old version of the Palm Desktop, throwing away my new one (and hoping the old one syncs with my wife's new Z22). Or, I could install Outlook (which I REALLY don't want to do) and move everything over to that, and cross my fingers that this old Intellisync kludge will sync better with it than it did with new Palm Desktop.

I've got 4 or 5 choices of ROM, yet as far as I know none of them have a clean, supported PIM solution that syncs with something as basic as Palm Desktop. Sounds like priorities are seriously off. All the fancy applications in the world and all the fancy OSs in the world are worthless if this thing can't PDA.

Sorry for being so negative; I'm seriously depressed right now. I only came to this forum hoping there might be a better situation with syncing than what I've seen with Cacko, but now I'm thinking it's futile. Anyone want to pick up on a new C1000?
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2006, 01:53:36 pm »
This problem of syncing comes in because we don't use the same apps on the Z and on the desktop.
To avoid that, you can use KDE-PIM, I know it's quite heavy but once loaded it's usable. This way you just have to copy/paste the files containing your data from Z to desktop and vice versa.
That's the easiest way for windows users.

If you have a Linux box you have other alternatives to KDE-PIM (see below) and you can also sync two folders using the command "rsync".

Email -> Sylpheed(fast) or Thunderbird
Adress book -> Dlume, gpe-contacts
Calendar -> gpe-calendar
Todo -> gpe-todo
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2006, 02:23:24 pm »
My pair of pennies:

After taking too much time to learn different PIM applications that in the end were more 'fancy' than 'practical' I have started using plain old text files for my calendar and address book.  The linux shell has more than enough capability to search and sort them.  I don't have the fancy calendar layout in front of me with shaded strips to represent my time comittments but a simple line in a text file is enough for me.  

The shell lets me do a lot of manipulation.  For example, if I want to see my appointments for march I just "grep 03/ mycalendar" and I have a clean list.  The shell command "cal" prints out monthly calendars if I need them.

As far as synching, (which I don't do because I have everything on the Z) I think a short script would do the trick:  

  back up files
  append desktop file to Z file
  sort
  eliminate duplicate lines
  copy file to both computers

If by "It doesn't PDA" you mean it doesn't mesh smoothly with closed source pim applications, then you probably will be happier with a palm.  But if you are looking for functionality, check out the linux shell.


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I realize that it is open to opinion but my experience is that Cacko/Sharp makes your Zaurus into more of a PDA.

Well, if Cacko/Sharp is the most PDA-capable ROM, then I guess my C1000 is going up for sale on Ebay.    

I'm all for learning and using Linux, that's much what I bought it for. But it has to be more than a toy. I'm not going to carry both a Zaurus AND a Palm around. The minimum requirement for me is that I have to be able to use it as a PDA; it has to replace the Palm. If I can't sync, then it ain't a PDA!

We have a situation now where this old 5500-era Intellisync can't find the new Palm Desktop software any more (because Palm changed where it's loaded). And just to get Intellisync working on the PC was a joke anyway.

Look at this guy's experience with syncing:
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~vernaleo/zaurus.html

I'm faced with the prospect of begging or scrounging an old version of the Palm Desktop, throwing away my new one (and hoping the old one syncs with my wife's new Z22). Or, I could install Outlook (which I REALLY don't want to do) and move everything over to that, and cross my fingers that this old Intellisync kludge will sync better with it than it did with new Palm Desktop.

I've got 4 or 5 choices of ROM, yet as far as I know none of them have a clean, supported PIM solution that syncs with something as basic as Palm Desktop. Sounds like priorities are seriously off. All the fancy applications in the world and all the fancy OSs in the world are worthless if this thing can't PDA.

Sorry for being so negative; I'm seriously depressed right now. I only came to this forum hoping there might be a better situation with syncing than what I've seen with Cacko, but now I'm thinking it's futile. Anyone want to pick up on a new C1000?
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2006, 02:27:40 pm »
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This problem of syncing comes in because we don't use the same apps on the Z and on the desktop.
To avoid that, you can use KDE-PIM, I know it's quite heavy but once loaded it's usable. This way you just have to copy/paste the files containing your data from Z to desktop and vice versa.
That's the easiest way for windows users.

If you have a Linux box you have other alternatives to KDE-PIM (see below) and you can also sync two folders using the command "rsync".

Email -> Sylpheed(fast) or Thunderbird
Adress book -> Dlume, gpe-contacts
Calendar -> gpe-calendar
Todo -> gpe-todo
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I agree this is a huge part of the problem - everyone seems to want to work with Outlook, despite its faults, so almost every sync software package available commercially aims at that.

I have given up on the idea of syncing completely, and use the Zaurus alone all the time. This is where pdaXrom comes in; it makes the Zaurus much more of a whole computer than a PDA, and makes it possible to use it more like this. I think this is why a lot of the development concentrates on more computer-based (for want of a better term) than PDA-based software...
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2006, 03:02:17 pm »
Lots of great comments.

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The shell lets me do a lot of manipulation.  For example, if I want to see my appointments for march I just "grep 03/ mycalendar" and I have a clean list.  The shell command "cal" prints out monthly calendars if I need them.
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As far as synching, (which I don't do because I have everything on the Z) I think a short script would do the trick: 

  back up files
  append desktop file to Z file
  sort
  eliminate duplicate lines
  copy file to both computers

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The application rsync is a great option for something like the above process because (from what I've been told) it only transfers the data that has been changed.

I feel your pain though. I bought a Zaurus because I was a Palm, Power User for years and got sick and tired of syncing. I want all my info always. I realize that everyone's needs are different, but I think it's worth thinking about. If you are using a USB mouse and kbd with your zaurus propped up at eye level, it's a very usable mini-pc.

From spending time with Cacko and pdaXrom I agree that PIM stuff does not apear to be the highest priority for most developers... for better or for worse. I can't speak much of OZ but from what I've read in the forums it's kinda in the same boat too (please correct me if I'm wrong).

The Zaurus offers an opportunity to hack together a solution based on our desires/needs. I love that flexability but yes... there is a learning curve.

We need to keep bringing more and more people into the Zaurus community that can offer development skills.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2006, 10:50:23 pm »
Thanks for sympathizing, gang. I feel better today.    

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The shell lets me do a lot of manipulation.  For example, if I want to see my appointments for march I just "grep 03/ mycalendar" and I have a clean list.  The shell command "cal" prints out monthly calendars if I need them.

Hee Hee. You rock! I love the option of low-tech too.

I was thinking of something like that too, but putting it in the spreadsheet instead. I'll consider this too. But something about that makes me want to rebel. It's pretty darn late in the game to be using such primitive implementations. More power to you if it works for you, but I've gotten tired of 1970's technology.  

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I feel your pain though. I bought a Zaurus because I was a Palm, Power User for years and got sick and tired of syncing. I want all my info always. I realize that everyone's needs are different, but I think it's worth thinking about. If you are using a USB mouse and kbd with your zaurus propped up at eye level, it's a very usable mini-pc.

You know, I'm thinking of that too.

I was wondering yesterday, "Why do I sync"? To me there are four reasons:

1) To put my data into my backup path (the PC gets backed up every night by a scheduler).

2) In case I need to manipulate a lot of records, it's a lot easier with a real keyboard and screen.

3) To have the data on the PC if I need it for a phone call, etc.

4) To share the data with other people, like my wife, who also uses a Palm and needs to sync for these same reasons.

Well, can I rethink this whole thing and get about the same functionality? That is, can I make the Zaurus my computer at least for PIM applications if not for everything? In a sense, have a (sort of) Palm Desktop on my Zaurus? Maybe.

Item 3 is not a big deal; it is about equivalent to look up a phone number on the Palm, Zaurus, or PC.

Item 2 as you say can be handled by adding a full size USB keyboard. I don't know about a larger screen; it would be nice but how to hook it up to the Zaurus?

Item 1 - someone on another thread said the Cacko PIM data resides on /home/zaurus/Applications/dtm. I'm guessing this folder would be easy to transfer over to the PC with a USB connection; if so that takes care of that problem. (Actually, I need to just think about getting everything in the Zaurus backed up regularly, not just the PIM data.) Or, if the PIM data could somehow go onto an SD card, even better because I could move the card itself if I wanted to.

Item 4 - I just remembered last night something I found out earlier, that Palm Desktop itself is none too good at sharing data between two people. If you have two users on the Desktop, then the two sets of data are kept independently. There is no provision for commonly-held data, such as addresses of people who are friends of both of us. I have to copy the updated address information manually from one user to another. I can hardly blame Zaurus applications if Palm Desktop does not handle this obvious need!

Anyway I was beaming address book categories from my Palm to the Zaurus last night. Works, but is tedious because the category is not preserved, and I have to re-enter it in every record. I did find this page that has unix-based desktop aps for Palm handhelds; I'm wondering if there is something out there that has been ported to the Zaurus? It sure would be cool if my wife's Palm could sync to the Zaurus over the IR port.

Another letdown yesterday: I found Hancom Sheet does not run the ballistics spreadsheet I've been working on in Excel. Probably chokes on named ranges, or maybe the iteration. <sigh>  So I'll be looking for a better spreadsheet ap too.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2006, 12:59:08 am »
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wondering if there is something out there that has been ported to the Zaurus? It sure would be cool if my wife's Palm could sync to the Zaurus over the IR port.

maybe jpilot:
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Another letdown yesterday: I found Hancom Sheet does not run the ballistics spreadsheet I've been working on in Excel. Probably chokes on named ranges, or maybe the iteration. <sigh> So I'll be looking for a better spreadsheet ap too.
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