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« on: May 29, 2006, 04:41:54 pm »
Hi All

What's the main benefit of pdaXrom vs OZ/GPE?

They are both X11 based, as I understand it, both seem clean and quick.

Which, if any, is better and why?

I know this is all perception, but I'm curious what the perception is.
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2006, 05:15:53 pm »
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Hi All

What's the main benefit of pdaXrom vs OZ/GPE?

They are both X11 based, as I understand it, both seem clean and quick.

Which, if any, is better and why?

I know this is all perception, but I'm curious what the perception is.
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I have also thought about the same question.

I have found the following differences:

- pdaXrom is using the Flash rom on the C3100 - the others dont
- there is much more software available (without the need to compile) for pdaXrom
- the forum (here) is much more active on pdaXrom
- OE appears to be somewhat more stable - however I hope the pdaXrom will soon be close

As a conclusion I decided for pdaXrom... and I enjoy playing with beta 4
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2006, 05:32:20 pm »
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- there is much more software available (without the need to compile) for pdaXrom
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2006, 05:37:06 pm »
Well I know that pdaXrom is still in beta and it's undergoing a rapid evolution.

The GPE implementation on OZ seems pretty slick and fast to me, abiword seemed a little more responsive and I know that pdaXrom is having some bug issues - understandable, but GPE seemed a little less buggy.

This said, I've used pdaXrom longer than GPE.

Would love to get Meanie's OpenOffice working on OZ/GPE to compare, but it didn't want to work :-(
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2006, 06:32:44 pm »
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Hi All

What's the main benefit of pdaXrom vs OZ/GPE?

They are both X11 based, as I understand it, both seem clean and quick.

Which, if any, is better and why?

I know this is all perception, but I'm curious what the perception is.
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I think I can try to answer this; it''s basically a question of what the software is based upon, because the two systems are radically different, yet quite the same.

What's the same?  The ultimate goal of both is to deliver a Linux PDA environment to the Zaurus (well, OpenZaurus I guess could do more).

What's different?  The software that the build systems are based upon is rather radically different.  The OZ/GPE stuff is based upon a system that (last I looked) was based upon a Python program.  The PdaXrom is based entirely on make(1), and on various makefiles.  They both have their strengths and weaknesses.  Look, the entire post here is, I hope you realize, my own opinion, so I hope I don't outrage anyone, and the rest (with that caveat) ....

OE/GPE is backed by a fairly large group of programmers, but they're often rather prickly to get along with, if you make any statement that might be construed as less than wild approval of their work.  PDAXrom is based (also, the last time I looked) really by only one person, who goes by the handle of Sashz, and could (in the past) be a little hard to get in contact with.  The PDAXrom stuff is based upon a system that has a bit smaller codebase, and is easier to figure out (at least, it was easier for me).  The last time I look at the code for OE/GPE, is was rather fragile, but you could do it yourself, and make your own fixes.  The PdaXrom code was a lot more difficult to get hold of, and there is no cvs archive, never has been.  I know, I tried once to get him to establish one, but he resisted.  So, the OE/GPE code is more publically accessible, but harder to get your arms wrapped around (least for me).  I better admit here, I know make pretty well, but I also know Python (what they are each based upon, OE/GPE==python, PdaXrom==make).  I think the make scripts are of a simpler level.

If you want to learn more about PdaXrom, I strongly recommend you go look at [a href=\"http://www.pengutronix.com/events/index_en.html]http://www.pengutronix.com/events/index_en.html[/url], because while OE/GPE is based upon a self-mainted set of python scripts, pdaXrom is based upon the Penguintronix build system.

I will make an offer here, which I don't expect I will find much support for, I just hope that it doesn't create too much flames:

Anytime someone can get at least 4 programmers together who will contribute, and I volunteer right now to provide an archive for PdaXrom.  I would have, in the recent past, said cvs, but now, I tink I would want to make it subversion.   Doesn't matter, i have the disk, the bandwidth, and the willingness, should I find the volunteers.  If Sashz wanted to, I would let him control it, if (and only if!) he will entirely, 100% stop any work outside of the archive, no more separate releases whatsoever, no excuses, none.  It's either something we all can have fun with, or I won;'t have to do with it.

That's it, enough to get me into trouble, probably.

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2006, 06:39:52 pm »
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- there is much more software available (without the need to compile) for pdaXrom

    -   Your kidding right?
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2006, 06:44:54 pm »
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Well I know that pdaXrom is still in beta and it's undergoing a rapid evolution.

The GPE implementation on OZ seems pretty slick and fast to me, abiword seemed a little more responsive and I know that pdaXrom is having some bug issues - understandable, but GPE seemed a little less buggy.

This said, I've used pdaXrom longer than GPE.

Would love to get Meanie's OpenOffice working on OZ/GPE to compare, but it didn't want to work :-(
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Abiword is more responsive on GPE?  For one, I didn't know it existed on GPE.  I used OZ/GPE last year and found that noticably lacking.

But why the urge to use OO?  I find that Abiword, on my Z or my desktop, to be so much more responsive that I never use OO.  And as far as spreadsheets go, gnumeric is the standard now, IMNSHO.
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2006, 06:48:09 pm »
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Well I know that pdaXrom is still in beta and it's undergoing a rapid evolution.

The GPE implementation on OZ seems pretty slick and fast to me, abiword seemed a little more responsive and I know that pdaXrom is having some bug issues - understandable, but GPE seemed a little less buggy.

This said, I've used pdaXrom longer than GPE.

Would love to get Meanie's OpenOffice working on OZ/GPE to compare, but it didn't want to work :-(
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Abiword is more responsive on GPE?  For one, I didn't know it existed on GPE.  I used OZ/GPE last year and found that noticably lacking.

But why the urge to use OO?  I find that Abiword, on my Z or my desktop, to be so much more responsive that I never use OO.  And as far as spreadsheets go, gnumeric is the standard now, IMNSHO.
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I use open office on a PC and a Mac and in our office, using open office file formats. To have openoffice on the Z would be fantastic, because then I don't need to convert my files into other formats for abiword to read. Last time I looked, admittedly a long time ago, abiword doesn't support open office formats, neither does gnumeric (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Also, when looking at a file in abiword vs openoffice, the text is actually larger and more readable in openoffice, don't ask me why, just seems that way.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2006, 06:51:15 pm »
Also a major thing I've just noticed.

pdaXrom vs Hentges Release Candidate for OZ/GPE rom

suspend works instant on, instant off on the Hentges Rom :-)
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2006, 09:07:36 pm »
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- there is much more software available (without the need to compile) for pdaXrom

    -   Your kidding right?
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No. This is based on various pieces of information I have found - for example  here : [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions]https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions[/url].

I am wrong? Please tell me if it is so! I am a newbie to this - so please be patient, and explain!

Do programs like Abiword, Gnumeric, Amule etc. work on OE? Where could I find out what exists for OE?
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2006, 09:15:12 pm »
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- there is much more software available (without the need to compile) for pdaXrom

    -   Your kidding right?
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No. This is based on various pieces of information I have found - for example  here : [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions]https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Distributions[/url].

I am wrong? Please tell me if it is so! I am a newbie to this - so please be patient, and explain!

Do programs like Abiword, Gnumeric, Amule etc. work on OE? Where could I find out what exists for OE?
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Believe me, you're quire wrong, thje size of their software archive is actually one of their strongest points, and it's several times larger than what is avaialbe for pdaxrom.

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2006, 09:21:01 pm »
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Believe me, you're quire wrong, thje size of their software archive is actually one of their strongest points, and it's several times larger than what is avaialbe for pdaxrom.
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Where is the software archive?
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Ambicom CF WL1100C Wifi Card and Symbol Wireless Networker CF Wifi Card
1 GB Sandisk Ultra II SD
PdAir leather case - Nintendo DS metal case
various smaller CF and SD cards
all kinds of USB cables and accessories
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Previous PDA's: Palm 1000, Palm III, Palm V, Palm Vx, Audiovox Maestro Pocket PC, Psion 5mx
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2006, 09:51:43 pm »
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Hi All

What's the main benefit of pdaXrom vs OZ/GPE?

They are both X11 based, as I understand it, both seem clean and quick.

Which, if any, is better and why?

I know this is all perception, but I'm curious what the perception is.
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I have also thought about the same question.

I have found the following differences:

- pdaXrom is using the Flash rom on the C3100 - the others dont
- there is much more software available (without the need to compile) for pdaXrom
- the forum (here) is much more active on pdaXrom
- OE appears to be somewhat more stable - however I hope the pdaXrom will soon be close

As a conclusion I decided for pdaXrom... and I enjoy playing with beta 4
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I agree with you wholeheatedly and was wondering how you are finding beta 4 and whether it is stable enough yet to actually use in a working environment with abiword, gnumeric etc

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2006, 10:04:05 pm »
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Believe me, you're quire wrong, thje size of their software archive is actually one of their strongest points, and it's several times larger than what is avaialbe for pdaxrom.
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Where is the software archive?
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[a href=\"http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/]http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.op...ble/3.5.4/feed/[/url] is one mirror... more info can be found on http://www.openzaurus.org

Keeping things fair the current pdaXrom feed is found http://mail.pdaxrom.org/download/1.1.0beta...rus-Cxx00/feed/
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2006, 11:55:51 pm »
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Believe me, you're quire wrong, thje size of their software archive is actually one of their strongest points, and it's several times larger than what is avaialbe for pdaxrom.
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Where is the software archive?
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[a href=\"http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/]http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.op...ble/3.5.4/feed/[/url] is one mirror... more info can be found on http://www.openzaurus.org

Keeping things fair the current pdaXrom feed is found http://mail.pdaxrom.org/download/1.1.0beta...rus-Cxx00/feed/
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been there, had this discussion elsewhere.  How much of the listed OZ stuff is niether redundant, nor component, nor non-working?  If you cut those out, I think pdaxrom has an edge over gpe. with compatlibs and xqt, arguably, oz/opie has the largest available software set, followed closely by cacko/sharp with xqt.

which reminds me... anyone have a look at xqt speed on 2.6 oz/opie >gpe?  could be  interesting
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