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« Reply #120 on: January 14, 2007, 03:13:42 am »
I'd been waiting for flipstart and oqo to announce something for years.  By now i'm under the impression that neither will actually arrive.  Besides, wasn;'t the flipstart supposed to sell for about $1500 us?  too high fior a z killer if I remebered the price right.
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« Reply #121 on: January 14, 2007, 03:29:00 am »
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I'd been waiting for flipstart and oqo to announce something for years.  By now i'm under the impression that neither will actually arrive.  Besides, wasn;'t the flipstart supposed to sell for about $1500 us?  too high fior a z killer if I remebered the price right.
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Well, the update on the flipstart's webpage is very new. When we last heard of them almost 2 years ago they knew they were a victim of premature announcements, so they stated that they wouldn't say anything else about the Flipstart until they were good and ready to realease a product.

That sentiment is what leads me to be hopeful that they're actually going to release a product, and probably (relatively) soon - I would say this year some time.

As for the price - I could actually care less at this point. I'm now looking for a tool that does what I want, in a form factor that I like. The Z came very close, but now that I'm actually putting it to use I'm finding a bunch limitations in speed, memory, etc.

It is an unfortunate fact that there is simply nothing else on the market like the Z. The HTC Universal is the next best thing, but it is painfully obvious that it's a phone first, and that I wouldn't be much better of with it instead.

So, what I want is a Zaurus, but with more memory and built in networking. It's got to be a pocketable clamshell, have a good keyboard, and a good screen. A faster hard drive and better software compatibility would be nice, too.

If it costs 1500$, then so be it. If I had it then I wouldn't need either my Z or my Libretto. Plus, x86 compatibility means I could run anything I wanted on it, rather than a slow, but stable distribution, or a half built alpha with semi-modern software.

I've said it before - if the Vulcan Flipstart actaully goes on sale, I will be standing at the front of the line with my credit card out.
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« Reply #122 on: January 14, 2007, 04:36:16 am »
I mostly agree about the comparison, and the Z's shortcomings. and the possible advantages of the flipstart.  The z's limits for my use are more that something which fits in a pocket will always leave a lot to be desired for wordprocessing due to the size of the keyboard and to an extent, the screen. I try to use ssh to get more powerful computers to handle anything significant where possible, so the processing speed doesn't bug me much--though memory does sometimes. My mentioning the price wasn't by way of complaint, is was more by way of saying that the flipstart at 1500 would be really pushing the price/perfomance ratio for me. The Z package is:
portability
versatility
efficiency
affordability

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think about it this way:  1500 might be a neo, a 12-14" modest (but much more powerful than a flipstart, Koshinja, umpc) laptop and  enough change to buy a new mobo/cpu with serious power (or a zaurus, for that matter).  Or a neo, a Kosh. and  enough change to pay for about a year of unlimted gprs.  

which is the better solution for most of us?

btw I seem pretty hung up on the neo these days, don't I?
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« Reply #123 on: January 14, 2007, 06:14:10 am »
anyone seen the htc fireball/bird/whatever

it had video out and a nvidia goforce chipset as well as some chunky flash and ram with a 640x480 screen and USB host support, no keyboard but in some ways its a step up
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« Reply #124 on: January 14, 2007, 08:11:29 am »
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As an OT aside, which MacBook did you get??
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I very nearly packed it up and sent it back 30sec after opening it. It's quite heavy for it's size, and looks bigger at home than it does in the store. I thought it would be a little chunky compared to my Libretto, but its first impression was more like the fat lady at the circus
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You really ought to take a look at the Sony TX2... can't run mac-osx. I took it on holiday with me to the USA,  I only occasionally take a laptop with me due to the burden of carrying it, first time I've taken one and not felt it to be a burden. The only snag is it doesn't feel too strong so you do end up bulking it up with padding. However, it's still too big to take everywhere, so the Z was still very useful.
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« Reply #125 on: January 14, 2007, 09:48:50 am »
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The K's screen is 800x480, and is actually quite large (7")
I know that kahm, as I'm typing on it :-)
But it does have a scaled 1024x600 mode. Of course it's blurry from interpolation, but it gives an idea of using such a definition on a 7" screen.
That's why I personally wouldn't think of using it on a even smaller one, but your own eyesight may differ :-)

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« Reply #126 on: January 14, 2007, 11:44:12 am »
Thanks for the feedback, kahm....

Well, I took the plunge on Friday and got one....so far it's great!

Had a G4 iBook previously, so size not too different...

Installed Parallels and Vista beta that I had last night, works great....installing the new Parallels beta now...

All in all, happy camper right now, just wish it had touchscreen...  


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2ghz White, with 2gb of ram. Running XP and Vista via parallels, and it's as smooth as a baby's bottom

I very nearly packed it up and sent it back 30sec after opening it. It's quite heavy for it's size, and looks bigger at home than it does in the store. I thought it would be a little chunky compared to my Libretto, but its first impression was more like the fat lady at the circus

Thankfully, I'm mostly over it now and am otherwise impressed with the unit.
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« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2007, 03:10:17 pm »
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I mostly agree about the comparison, and the Z's shortcomings. and the possible advantages of the flipstart.  The z's limits for my use are more that something which fits in a pocket will always leave a lot to be desired for wordprocessing due to the size of the keyboard and to an extent, the screen. I try to use ssh to get more powerful computers to handle anything significant where possible, so the processing speed doesn't bug me much--though memory does sometimes. My mentioning the price wasn't by way of complaint, is was more by way of saying that the flipstart at 1500 would be really pushing the price/perfomance ratio for me. The Z package is:
portability
versatility
efficiency
affordability

.

think about it this way:  1500 might be a neo, a 12-14" modest (but much more powerful than a flipstart, Koshinja, umpc) laptop and  enough change to buy a new mobo/cpu with serious power (or a zaurus, for that matter).  Or a neo, a Kosh. and  enough change to pay for about a year of unlimted gprs. 

which is the better solution for most of us?

When I bought my laptop last year, I bought one that cost twice as much for half the features. I almost didn't, but it was probably a very good choice for me. I currently carry 2 Zs (one on Cacko, one on pdaXii13) and my libretto every day. If I had the Vulcan, I could eliminate all three of them.

For the most part, the Z is pretty good for portablility. You still have to factor in carrying around a case filled with memory cards, wireless cards, and power adapters.

Versatility and efficiency depend on each other, and the requirements of the user at the time. If you use it like a PDA with the convenience of a keyboard, it performs pretty well. It even makes a pretty good surfing platform if you can stand the wireless card jutting out the side (Which I can't). OTOH, if you try and use it more like a computer, which is possible, you soon run into performance issues like waiting over five minutes for a search and replace to finish. Efficiency goes down as versatility increases due to limitations of the platform. Serious work can be done, so long as you're willing to wait on it.

 Affordability is somewhat questionable, as the Z is rather expensive for what you get. Less so now than when they came out, though - they're now closer to $500 than $750. Also consider that it's not really easy or particularily cheap to get CF Wi-fi cards or USB host cables. We don't have a working CF 802.11g card for the Z yet, and the 802.11b cards are harder to find.

Now, don't get me wrong - I still love the Z. I own everything from an early production 5000D to a 3100, but we're running into walls on both the hardware and software, and I'm getting just old enough not to have time to play with it anymore.

I've looked for years, and spent a lot of money, on trying to find the best in portable computing. I think the Z is the ultimate formfactor, but limitations in memory and connectivity sour the experience.

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btw I seem pretty hung up on the neo these days, don't I?
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Well, I was thinking about the Neo, then the iPhone. Since the iPhone is going to be too locked down and the Neo is actually going to have BT, I'll probably get a Neo. It does look like a very nice piece of kit
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« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2007, 03:16:34 pm »
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The K's screen is 800x480, and is actually quite large (7")
I know that kahm, as I'm typing on it :-)
But it does have a scaled 1024x600 mode. Of course it's blurry from interpolation, but it gives an idea of using such a definition on a 7" screen.
That's why I personally wouldn't think of using it on a even smaller one, but your own eyesight may differ :-)
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Can you use see the screen on a Zaurus? It will be almost the same density. The screen on my Libretto is 1280x720, and it's only 7.5". That's too small sitting on a desk at normal typing distance, but quite nice holding it in the hand like you would the Vulcan.

When I set the K up for my friend, I didn't know about fn-esc changing the screen res, so I was doing it through the display control panel. When you set it to a higher screen res, WinXP removes the 800x480 option from the slider, and you have to dig a bit to find how to set it back. I'm trying to bug my friend into finding it for himself, but he seems not to care whether it's set to 800x480 or 1024x600
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« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2007, 03:20:05 pm »
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You really ought to take a look at the Sony TX2... can't run mac-osx. I took it on holiday with me to the USA,  I only occasionally take a laptop with me due to the burden of carrying it, first time I've taken one and not felt it to be a burden. The only snag is it doesn't feel too strong so you do end up bulking it up with padding. However, it's still too big to take everywhere, so the Z was still very useful.
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I own a Libretto U100, which is a very powerful and portable tiny laptop. I wanted an OSX machine just because of OSX and didn't want to get a mini  The macbook will probably mostly live on my desk and I'll only take it out if I need something more powerful on the road...

It only seemed so huge and heavy because it lacks in comparison to the libby  That, and looking at it in the local stores, it seems smaller. (I was out at Futureshop with a friend yesterday, and he swears that the model in the store is smaller than mine at home . Plus, we can't pick them up in the store, so the weight was a bit of a surprise. They are quite dense...)
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« Reply #130 on: March 18, 2007, 09:04:14 am »
kopsis,
I am seriously thinking of buying a SAF1F00A, and since you have the actual hands-on with it, I have a few questions regarding the touchpad:

First, does sidescrolling work as expected?
Second, is it a synaptics touchpad (you can tell in the mouse setup).
Third, I read in another review that the buttons on the touchpad are loose and floppy feeling, and I just want to get your opinion on that.

By the way, your review is very enlightening, thanks for that.

Thanks,
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« Reply #131 on: March 19, 2007, 02:21:19 am »
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First, does sidescrolling work as expected?
Well, I'm a keyboard person and don't pay much attention to pointing devices, so I'm not exactly sure what "expected" would be

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Second, is it a synaptics touchpad (you can tell in the mouse setup).
Yes ... or at least it's using synaptics drivers.

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Third, I read in another review that the buttons on the touchpad are loose and floppy feeling, and I just want to get your opinion on that.
They definitely are, and it was a little disturbing at first. But its not due to build quality, it's just how they're designed. I've quickly gotten used to it. I'm actually bothered more by the plastic chrome finish that causes them to always proudly display my fingerprints

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« Reply #132 on: March 19, 2007, 07:31:24 am »
Well, that gives me something more to think about.
Crappy keyboard, floppy mouse buttons, 800x480 resolution.
For the price they want, I might be better off spending $150 on a new high-capacity battery for the four-year-old laptop I already own.
Plus I also have the C1000.
Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Thanks for the input kopsis,
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« Reply #133 on: March 19, 2007, 11:45:05 pm »
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Well, that gives me something more to think about.
Crappy keyboard, floppy mouse buttons, 800x480 resolution.
For the price they want, I might be better off spending $150 on a new high-capacity battery for the four-year-old laptop I already own.
Plus I also have the C1000.
Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Thanks for the input kopsis,
Doug
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I wasn't going to say anything but I have to comment on a couple of things. I don't find the keyboard crappy, it is small and requires that your fingers stay close together when you type. I am as quick on this keyboard as on a full size one now. My mouse buttons are not floppy at all and the pad works as good or better than on previous laptops I have used. I am very happy with this machine, it has replaced my laptop but of course not my Z.
I have only one little beef and that is that the sd slot is not a full slot, in other words the sd card does not go all the way into the slot. Good luck with your decision.

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« Reply #134 on: March 20, 2007, 07:52:56 am »
cycle_55,
Thanks for the info.
I guess another question I have about the keyboard and mouse keys is are they quiet when you press them, like the average keyboard/mouse, or do they a make a clicking sound?
I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but I have a need to know this stuff.

After all this, I guess the deciding factor for me might be the squashed-up screen (or maybe chopped-off would be more accurate).
Being among the senior citizen crowd, my eyes are getting a little on the old side and I'm thinking web pages and such might be a little hard to read.

Thanks again,
Doug

EDIT:
I just broke down and ordered one, so we'll see how it is when it gets here.
I'll report back with my conclusions.
Thank you all for your very helpful information.

I have a set of cd's for Slackware 10, so maybe I'll install that on the second partition.
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