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AdamD

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« on: April 09, 2007, 02:44:12 am »
Hello Everyone,

Been looking at the old Tablet PC for some time.  However the price has always made me giddy.  

The other day a person that I support (I work with people with varying impairments) showed me the Digipad ( http://www.absecomm.com.au/catalog/product...?products_id=53 ).  It's the first solution I've seen that takes decent notes with a more reasonable price.

The problem (if you can call it that) is that the Digipad files the notes in Ritemail 2.5 - that can be converted to html, txt or a propriety setting.  ( http://www.evernote.com/en/products/ritemail/ )

What I can do is take the notes at days end, convert to txt or html and store it on the Z for later reference.  What I'd like to know is what Note programme in the Zaurus lexicon would be best for this (search function is the important point here as is a good hierarchical system).

P.S. Do any of the note programmes on the Zaurus store their inked notes in html??  Might save the conversion and just transfer from SD card in Digipad to the Z if this can be done??

Cheers,

AdamD

P.P.S.  Still have 3.5 year old on lap, so note programme with good drawing features would be of benefit.  But please no "Thomas the Tank Engine" templates - AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHGGRRRRRRRRR ( https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23351 )

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 05:34:02 am »
Does the handwriting recognition of this device actually work? The last time I looked at a device like this notes were saved as bitmap images and you had to be sure that the current page in the memory always matches the current paper page, i.e. you had to number the pages. Somebody supposed to use loose pages & a fast scanner instead.

As a tablet input device: Is it sensitive to pen pressure?

With respect to viewing html pages: I suppose the result will be one HTML/text file per page on paper. Why would you want a special software for this?
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2007, 09:00:22 am »
I think this is an interesting idea,
also have a look at a similar product: http://www.acecad.com.tw/dma402.html

These would be quite useful for note taking and then converting, I would also like to use it as a tablet, but support for this is quite limited (no Mac drivers for instance)

There is a piece of software on the zaurus called xournal which does note taking and conversion to pdf... then all that is needed is a handwriting recognition software.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 05:06:54 am »
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Does the handwriting recognition of this device actually work? The last time I looked at a device like this notes were saved as bitmap images and you had to be sure that the current page in the memory always matches the current paper page, i.e. you had to number the pages. Somebody supposed to use loose pages & a fast scanner instead.

As a tablet input device: Is it sensitive to pen pressure?

With respect to viewing html pages: I suppose the result will be one HTML/text file per page on paper. Why would you want a special software for this?
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A good few points, let me see if I can answer with my limited knowledge.

As you point out, the device stores separate pages in memory - probably as a bitmap but I could not find that out from the site itself.  The idea is to then transfer across to Ritemail on you PC and that would do the handwriting translation to txt/html/yada, yada, yada.  Alternatively, you can apparently send handwritten notes via html over email (via PC link or more practically via the Pocket PC/ Palm versions of this software).  You do have to prompt it when you change pages to tell the device you're 'on the next page'.  

From the promotional blurb, the pad can be used as a tablet for your PC and can be used to annotate PowerPoint presentation etcetera.

The positives of creating both a handwritten note on paper and a digital note on the Digipad is that your notes can be converted to text from the digital image and you can refer back to the 'scratchings' on paper to help with the translation.  I have a sneaking suspicion that trying to OCR a handwritten page on a scanner could be a real pain!!  Additionally, the ability to store ones notes in one place (i.e.digitally) is a real bonus for ease of review AND searching.

Finally, if you ever get to see my handwriting, you'll appreciate why I'd like a programme to clean it up!!

Cheers,

AdamD

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 05:33:01 am »
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I think this is an interesting idea,
also have a look at a similar product: http://www.acecad.com.tw/dma402.html

These would be quite useful for note taking and then converting, I would also like to use it as a tablet, but support for this is quite limited (no Mac drivers for instance)

There is a piece of software on the zaurus called xournal which does note taking and conversion to pdf... then all that is needed is a handwriting recognition software.
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Interesting product, but I think the digipad is a little better, if only that the software is included not on 30 day trial.

I too love all things Mac - I was 'Fantasizing' about using CodeWeavers CrossOver Mac ( [a href=\"http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/]http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/[/url] ) to possibly run Ritemail or Evernote.

Xournal sounds really promising, but I have not found anything on the net that looks remotely possible for handwriting recognition for the Z OR Linux for that matter.

Cheers,

AdamD

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 05:58:55 am »
This link has a bit of a list of OCR software,
http://forums.dealmac.com/read.php?1,2186191,2186191

I have been testing a few with the intent of finding something that will
do recognition off-line on xournal documents (saved to PDF)

So far have tried
- Readiris, looks like pretty poor recognition of handwriting
- Softwriting on VirtualPC - need to train this which is looks like it might have a chance
- DigitEyeOCR looks pretty beta but it also has a "learn" mode and runs on linux/mac

Apparently IBM has done a fair bit of research on this too, but haven't t trawled their archives yet!
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 03:57:07 am »
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- Softwriting on VirtualPC - need to train this which is looks like it might have a chance
- DigitEyeOCR looks pretty beta but it also has a "learn" mode and runs on linux/mac
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Softwriting is interesting but you have to write in block not with connected writing, and I have spent an age relearning how to "write".

DigitEyeOCR is nice (and an 'uncommon' open source in the Mac world) but no handwriting recognition.  Still - I'll play with that first

Is there a size restraint in Xournal??  I have this 'Wild' idea of using a Docupen to scan papers at University and then move the images into the Xournal or an 'Image to PDF' programme and store them on the Zaurus (yes, you still have to scan the 'real McCoy' on occasions in this age of digital journals)

The Docupen uses a MicroSD card - any problems for a Zaurus to read these if embedded in a SD converter/housing?? ( [a href=\"http://www.planon.com/docupen_rc800_pro.php]http://www.planon.com/docupen_rc800_pro.php[/url] )

Cheers,
AdamD

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 04:41:08 am »
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Is there a size restraint in Xournal??  I have this 'Wild' idea of using a Docupen to scan papers at University and then move the images into the Xournal or an 'Image to PDF' programme and store them on the Zaurus (yes, you still have to scan the 'real McCoy' on occasions in this age of digital journals)

The Docupen uses a MicroSD card - any problems for a Zaurus to read these if embedded in a SD converter/housing?? ( http://www.planon.com/docupen_rc800_pro.php )

Cheers,
AdamD
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I haven't come across a size limit as yet in xournal and you can have custom size pages and multiple "layers".
I'm not sure about the MicroSD card, should be OK if it presents itself as an SD card
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 05:38:38 pm »
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Is there a size restraint in Xournal??  I have this 'Wild' idea of using a Docupen to scan papers at University and then move the images into the Xournal or an 'Image to PDF' programme and store them on the Zaurus (yes, you still have to scan the 'real McCoy' on occasions in this age of digital journals)

The Docupen uses a MicroSD card - any problems for a Zaurus to read these if embedded in a SD converter/housing?? ( http://www.planon.com/docupen_rc800_pro.php )

Cheers,
AdamD
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I haven't come across a size limit as yet in xournal and you can have custom size pages and multiple "layers".
I'm not sure about the MicroSD card, should be OK if it presents itself as an SD card
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Where did you guys get the xournal package that works?

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2007, 03:15:47 am »
I found a working xournal in the pdaXrom--new packages feed
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2007, 07:37:52 am »
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Is there a size restraint in Xournal??  I have this 'Wild' idea of using a Docupen to scan papers at University and then move the images into the Xournal or an 'Image to PDF' programme and store them on the Zaurus (yes, you still have to scan the 'real McCoy' on occasions in this age of digital journals)

The Docupen uses a MicroSD card - any problems for a Zaurus to read these if embedded in a SD converter/housing?? ( http://www.planon.com/docupen_rc800_pro.php )

Cheers,
AdamD
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I haven't come across a size limit as yet in xournal and you can have custom size pages and multiple "layers".
I'm not sure about the MicroSD card, should be OK if it presents itself as an SD card
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Where did you guys get the xournal package that works?
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