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« on: February 19, 2018, 02:44:59 pm »
In the best estimation it seems as if Linux, fully functioning, is a while away. I have not used Android much. Are there good ways of eliminating the Gapps and other spyware such that it might be tolerable in the interim?
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2018, 03:03:29 pm »
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In the best estimation it seems as if Linux, fully functioning, is a while away. I have not used Android much. Are there good ways of eliminating the Gapps and other spyware such that it might be tolerable in the interim?

Apparently the install tool will allow you to install a rooted android build which should get you what you want.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 07:58:35 pm »
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Apparently the install tool will allow you to install a rooted android build which should get you what you want.
I am a babe in the woods here. I have no idea as to a reliable Android build that is free of spyware and generally good, or where to get it. I have been on Blackberry (the BBOS version) since forever and my Android experience has been a. limited and b. unsatisfactory. So I am a little lost as to a trustworthy rooted Android build. I feel fairly certain it is not one that is shipped installed. Is that a fair assumption?
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2018, 04:23:31 am »
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Apparently the install tool will allow you to install a rooted android build which should get you what you want.
So I am a little lost as to a trustworthy rooted Android build. I feel fairly certain it is not one that is shipped installed. Is that a fair assumption?

Well according to the most recent update, the shipped version won't be rooted. Ni reason to think it wont be trustworthy though

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 11:14:36 am »
Gapps(Google Apps) aren't spyware and if you'll somehow remove them you'll not be able to use any of Google's apps(any!!)

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 11:58:43 am »
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Gapps(Google Apps) aren't spyware
That is actually a debatable point.  There are a lot of people who don't like how it launches automatically on boot and occasionally calls home or that apps using it call home through it, etc...  It doesn't have to be intentional malware to be spyware.

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and if you'll somehow remove them you'll not be able to use any of Google's apps(any!!)
Which isn't a big loss for some.

For those who wear a tinfoil hat a bit to the side and security trumps gaming, locking out and/or deleting any application they don't -need- for their purpose is kind of the rule.

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 03:21:02 pm »
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For those who wear a tinfoil hat a bit to the side and security trumps gaming, locking out and/or deleting any application they don't -need- for their purpose is kind of the rule.
I can't imagine getting a Gemini for gaming. And I sure as hell want to limit the information that Google (and others -- Facebook comes to mind) collect about me. If they were doing it for good reasons, they'd tell us all about it right up front, and not in terms that try to convince us that they're doing us a favor.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2018, 12:25:52 am »
Apple sell hardware, software and media. Microsoft sell hardware and software. Google sell information and software. No secret. They give away android and make money on apps and information. That doesn't mean spyware though. You willingly give google your data so they can target adds - that is their model.

They don't try to hide this, so they can't be blamed for it. I don't particularly like giving my information away, but until Sailfish is ready, I am stuck using Android. You can still make it usable - don't create or log in to google for a start. Install the fdroid repo for apps - which means you can install the yalp store which gives you access to google play without logging in. Install firefox, and use duck duck go or startpage instead of google. That gives you a usable system with most of privacy.

I also installed termux which gives you a reasonably good unix environment. No need to root. I probably am leaking a bit of information somewhere, but nowhere near as much as a normal android install, and no need to root and kill all google services.

On the gaming front, it actually works quite well. The gemini is a seriously quick bit of kit - I have installed/played open arena, tux kart, quake, mupen64 and played a host of webgl games which were slow on my laptop. You can use miracast if you don't have the HDMI cable - not good for action games as there is a slight delay though.

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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2018, 07:27:35 am »
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For those who wear a tinfoil hat a bit to the side and security trumps gaming, locking out and/or deleting any application they don't -need- for their purpose is kind of the rule.
Grench may not speak about *gaming* here AFAIK

@vader Am in the exact same situation here. Though I need to symlink folders on the SDcard. But non rooted Android Nougat forbids symlink it seems. With defaults this OS is little more than a consuming joke.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2018, 03:51:07 pm »
Lots of practical things you can do as both root and non root all have trade off's between convenience and info you give away here's my starter for 10, others can probably add.

1 - if you already use gmail Use a different gmail account to register the device, don't use this for anything else

2 - don't register the device at all - see here:
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&...st&p=285246

3 - Don't use Gmail use a decent email like  like K9 or Aquamail that support IMAP with your own ISP (I use the Australian fastmail.com) but be aware the Android Doze power saving feature will break push email, as Doze needs Google Cloud Messaging to wake it up)  you can always disable Doze but you need to root the device
https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/857

4 -Set location to device only (GPS) - this means it's not connecting and collecting "anonymous data".  use something like GPS status to grab AGPS data and speed up the acqusition time when GPS starts  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...psim.gpsstatus2 when it starts

5 - Use an app like Macrodroid to turn location on only when you start an app needing it (requires ADB hack or root to the device to allow macrodroid to change the setting)

5 - Don't use Chrome, use Firefox or even better Firefox Focus

6 - Want to spend money in the pay store on apps but not hand over your credit card - buy yourself a gift token with cash at the supermarket scratch to reveal code and  add the code to the account.

7 - Don't use Google hangouts and other such things.

8 - For maps use Openstreet map in the browser or maps.me
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...withme.maps.pro

9 - If rooted install AWF+ firewall, you can them see / limit what things work

10 - turn contact sync off - use somethign like DavDroid to sync with your email / cloud provider (fastmail.com or set up your own owncloud.com)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...itfire.davdroid

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2018, 08:03:46 pm »
11 - Add entries to /system/etc/hosts to block tracking, analytics, ads, and malware sites.  (Needs root access.  Can block far more than just Google, and can reduce your data transfer and speed up your access.)
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