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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2004, 03:40:39 pm »
Scott - they are up again - just did a relauch of their design and stuff..
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2004, 06:23:59 am »
Thank you ! Great work !
Pdaxrom make the Z the best PDA on the market!

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2004, 09:09:09 am »
Just wante to let everyone know that we are very happy with all your support!!!

And at same time hope that some of you make some donations or maybe help us in other ways using the website, wink, wink ;-)

At the moment our main programmer, Sash, living is Russia is almost fulltime devoted to the project. We are making around $100 in donations and banner revenues per month - Sash need roughly $200 a month to "stay-alive" and pay all his expenses. A large amount of the money we get goes to hardware and internet bills/hosting. So basically that means we have a "gap" to fill with money - the last 3-4 months i have used my personal money to keep the project going - and I expect to continue to do so. Why? you wonder - because I love the Zaurus and our pdaXrom project. I make "enough" money so $100 a month doesn't ruin my budget but sometimes i think: "Am I only one who can afford this?" - so if you feel for it please donate and support - if you have a certain piece of hardware you would like to see work donate so we can buy and develop the "drivers" needed.

Look at it this way: $100 is what cost for a good dinner, some wine and a trip to the cinema - in Russia the same amount can keep a man working on the Zaurus/pdaXrom project for a month.
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2004, 01:34:29 pm »
Laze -- have you looked into the possibility of offering subscriptions through PayPal? Some of us can afford to contribute $100 directly (and I already did) but there are probably a good many more that wouldn't miss a few dollars a month, especially if it was charged automatically without people having to remember and take the time to go to PayPal each month.

No one would have to subscribe, of course, but those who wanted to contribute could elect a fixed amount per month, cancellable at any time, instead of just a fixed one-time donation as it is now. I think the fees for PayPal are about 30 cents for a minimum plus 2% or so. That would be about 34 cents out of $2.00/month or 50 cents out of $10.00/month. I'm not sure if there is a fee to become a seller able to offer such payments. This information would need to be checked, but if it worked I think it would give you a dependable minimum of donations each month, and probably more total donations than you get now.

I think all that is required is some html coding on the website, which you guys can probably do in your sleep compared to the difficulty of pdaXrom.  

Keep up the great work. Steve

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2004, 01:56:10 pm »
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Laze -- have you looked into the possibility of offering subscriptions through PayPal? Some of us can afford to contribute $100 directly (and I already did) but there are probably a good many more that wouldn't miss a few dollars a month, especially if it was charged automatically without people having to remember and take the time to go to PayPal each month.

No one would have to subscribe, of course, but those who wanted to contribute could elect a fixed amount per month, cancellable at any time, instead of just a fixed one-time donation as it is now. I think the fees for PayPal are about 30 cents for a minimum plus 2% or so. That would be about 34 cents out of $2.00/month or 50 cents out of $10.00/month. I'm not sure if there is a fee to become a seller able to offer such payments. This information would need to be checked, but if it worked I think it would give you a dependable minimum of donations each month, and probably more total donations than you get now.
That is the point of a subscription system if nobody has to subscribe? A fear of the developers getting away with all the money donated? The fear of the developers spending too much money on alcohol at once? ;)

I would say that a forced subscription system would work much better, as it works at LWN.net, but as it is all a GPLed software, it can not be forced at all, and besides, some people would get alienated.
The best I think would be a bounty-driven system, where the developers and the users decide on how much for the feature implemented or the bug fixed :) The result would be available for everybody, payed by the most interested of them :)


p.s. Shame on me, still have to get to the bank :( The good thing is, my LWN.net subscription is running out, so I will have to do it now :) By the way, this also shows how ineffective the donation system is, as I have to pay for LWN or they'll get me out, but that would not happen on the short term with pdaXrom if I don't pay. People should really have some real short-term reason to do it.

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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2004, 05:59:33 pm »
Basically we can offer as many payments method as we like - if nobody donates whats the point ;-)

Yes there is always the argument that people can't "claim" money for something they didn't make from the bottom - but we don't force people to pay. We encourage people to do so. Basically its: If you like what we have done so far please support us and you will be even more amazed :-) We don't claim we made the entire thing from scratch but we sure have spent a lot of time and effort into making it work and adding all the user wishes. We are very hooked on the bounty system and we might be implementing this soon. But we would also think that the pdaXrom is everybodys ROM - so that if a single user has a specific problem we will also help him even though i can't pay us anything.

But give us time and when we think we have the "basics" in order we will start the hard moves and start making the best rom even better.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2004, 06:02:50 pm by Laze »
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2004, 08:03:49 pm »
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Basically we can offer as many payments method as we like - if nobody donates whats the point ;-)

Yes there is always the argument that people can't "claim" money for something they didn't make from the bottom - but we don't force people to pay. [..]
Sorry Laze, but I haven't said that at all! What I said is that it is impossible to force a limited subscription-based distribution of the GPLed software, as it would make the GPL license void.

What you did is fantastic, that is much hard work. I know it personally because I once tried to make up something useable of the Z from the already available software and realized that I couldn't put that much effort in all the terraforming and pure creativity just to have the Z useable. You have all the right to claim the money. What I say is that you should really "claim" them, not pretend that everybody who finds this usable happen to be wholeheartedly inspired to donate at once. In reality, this does not work. That is not a speculation, that is practice. Another funny bit of practice is that if you say now that the project is officially dead because of the financial shortages, you'll experience a waterfall of donations. Why? Because people would pay "for not losing". When everything seems to be working anyway, people don't see any pressing reason to pay, and in the end they tend not to pay. They may understand that it is not right and sometimes really regret, but they really have other pressing problems to think about.

You can offer subscriptions but you can't really force them, and that might alienate the community. Bounty would work better. As for donations, they usually serve as a sign of appreciation, not as a real financial flow. If you want your users to know that you need money, not just only signs of appreciation, you can put a graphical bar on the site showing the progress in fulfilling the budget in donations. That really worked for some sites. This way users know how much exactly is needed and how much is left -- this helps them determine themselves. The latest effort of that sort I've seen was at Wikipedia -- each page had a banner saying they needed $50,000 and how much was left. They got more than $51,000 in a matter of few days. Yep, Wikipedia is a huge project, but you don't have to request that much on the other hand, just made it clear for people and show the progress.

I just wanted to say that with some more deterministic approach you could find yourself much more productive, and in result everybody would be happier. Hope this helps.

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2004, 11:25:06 pm »
I guess I wasn't clear, but I didn't mean to suggest anything like a "real" subscription for some subgroup or anything forced or mandatory. I was thinking simply of an easy mechanism for people to donate a small amount each month automatically, without having to go to PayPal every time to do it. PayPal calls this a subscription payment plan, but pdaXrom could use it for pure donations. No rights, no obligations, stop at any time and still go on using pdaXrom. Maybe there are a good many not able to make a larger one-time donation who aren't donating anything by clicks now, but who would be able to donate a little each month. Fifty people donating $4/month would give Sash the $200/month he needs. (Well, you'd need one or two more to cover the PayPal charges.) I would think that this would be an achievable goal and a significant addition over and above the current level of contributions. If it worked, we'd all get an even greater ROM on a faster, steadier schedule. No reason not to offer bounties at the same time. The graphic bar sounds like a good idea, too.

This is going off-topic and offroadgeek will be after me.    I'll start a new thread later and see how many people would pledge to make a monthly donation if it was as easy as it seems through PayPal, unless Laze indicates this is not a good idea.

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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2004, 12:30:42 am »
I just donated another $25.00.  I encourage as many as can afford to to do the same.

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2004, 03:25:16 am »
STOP, STOP..

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Another funny bit of practice is that if you say now that the project is officially dead because of the financial shortages, you'll experience a waterfall of donations. Why

I never said the project is dead.. I said we have financial problems - but i will keep filling the "gap" between donations/bannners revenues because of my love for the project - the pdaXrom project will continue as long as Sash and I are both alive, as long as we have a working Zaurus, as long as we have some internet connection etc. So don't worry we are working on the project no matter what - even if Sash and I are the only ones using the ROM :-)

So please, please don't get this and the above in the wrong way - we are working hard and will continue to do so. (I admit my English isn't always the best - but i try). I was basically just trying to get peoples attetion on the problem with Sashs "sponsorship" - i myself get no finacial gains from the pdaXrom - quite the opposite but i don't mind.

I will look into the "donation progress indicator" tonight :-)
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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2004, 03:32:54 am »
Hey Laze & team thanks again for the great ROM


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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2004, 04:41:38 am »
Wow what a difference a RC makes.
Just installed RC5 from RC3, and holy smokes, its fast!
I almost gave up because it was so slow, but most apps now are as fast, or faster, as the sharp ROM.

Well done team pdaXrom! Very impressive.

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2004, 05:15:31 am »
And when you compare the applications features openness stability and speed to other available rom like SharpQtopia GPE or OPIE... there is no way for hesitation.

(current personal preference of course).

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2004, 08:38:38 am »
Laze, don't worry, ikm is not thinking the project is dead - s/he is simply explaining what would happen if you announced that the project were dead!

I just tried to donate via ikobo.  Firstly, it asks for a "company phone number" - what's that all about?  Then, I submitted the form and Netscape said that the connection was "unexpectedly terminated" or something.

And when you use the Paypal link, it just seems to take you to a generic Paypal home page.

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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2004, 06:35:35 pm »
I have donated a couple of times...
and plan to do so again...

however, I would also happily use a bounty system.

I think the graph thing is also a good idea...
perhaps two graphs -- one for food, one for vodka :->

and if you're ever short, just email me.   you shouldn't
be alone in supporting this development.

Scott