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pgas

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pdaxrom flickering
« on: October 29, 2004, 02:28:14 am »
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What can this shiver thing be caused by? Could it be some beating between the scanning of the display and the frequency at which the backlight LEDs are switched on and off (with a varying duty cycle to change the brightness)? How much of this is under software control?



I do see flickering with pdaxrom,  this doesn't happens with cacko. Or does it?
From my experience, when you write something for a tv applications (poor display)
there are some things, like a one pixel white line on a black background, you can't do otherwise you get flickering.

So I was wondering if the flickering is not a problem like this ie the sharp display just
cannot display a thin green line on a black bg and full brightness whitout flickering.  Note that (from what I remember) things are larger and thicker in qtopia.

 Maybe the only solution to this problem is to use thicker and larger fonts, change the colors used etc... and not some sash's magic

(Note perhaps someone can try to run Aterm in x/qt on the sharp rom to see if indeed flicker does not happen)

my 2 cents
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2004, 08:00:11 am »
Refresh on MY zaurus seems to be OK (high frecuency) and no aliasing flickering occurs with any font size ...

I wrote something about this in the PAST but no one replied... it seems to be a touchy / difficult  topic to investigate But for me it is clear enough that not ALL zaurus are made equal (even same models, of course) ... but your zaurus seems to have a different display / display driver than mine ! (for a start)
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 08:42:53 am »
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Maybe the only solution to this problem is to use thicker and larger fonts, change the colors used etc... and not some sash's magic

(Note perhaps someone can try to run Aterm in x/qt on the sharp rom to see if indeed flicker does not happen)

my 2 cents
Well, you can make a lossless Aterm screenshot and watch it with a picture viewer in Sharp's rom. And while I don't really think it flickers because of picture complexity or whatever, it wouldn't hurt to try.

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 08:51:32 am »
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From my experience, when you write something for a tv applications (poor display)
there are some things, like a one pixel white line on a black background, you can't do otherwise you get flickering.
Interesting point, but on a television display, this problem is actually due to interlace, which doesn't happen on a computer display.

Interlaced scanning (as opposed to progressive scanning) is a way to reduce large-area flicker by scanning all the even-numbered lines on the screen, then all the odd-numbered lines.  Thus, the area of the screen is covered twice as rapidly as with a progressive scan, without using any more bandwidth, and hence the flicker is greatly reduced.

But, as you say, this fails on thin, sharp, horizontal features, where you get a large change in brightness between adjacent lines.  The feature is then only refreshed every alternate scan and so flickers at half the scan rate.  This, traditionally, was not a problem for television, because natural scenes tend not to have these sharp edges, and the nature of the cameras limited the resolution.  But when images started to be generated electronically, such as captions, anti-aliasing (blurring of the edges) had to be done to prevent "interlace twitter".

History lesson over!

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2004, 09:06:10 am »
Gromituk,

Acually, it could happen on computer display (remember AMIGA, their monitors where interlaced) ... Any PC used with TV output suffers different degrees of flickering, depending on their antialiasing algorithms ... Certainly those TV and interlaced monitors, from the past and nowadays, hooked to a PC, qualify for "computer display" tag

Anyway, I am sure that the guys that see flickering (and I read other posts about SERIOUS flickering) got a different hardware than us (me at least) ... which places some chills on me ... WHY  sharp would introduce so dramatic changes in their designs ? (on the same model) ... IT COULD PROVE INTERESTING to learn HOW to differenciate those models, so when and IF you want to buy a second hand zaurus, you can check it is not the "flickerer" model.

Maybe is just a small difference in the ATI chip specification and can be coped with some tweaking on driver level !
« Last Edit: October 29, 2004, 09:09:48 am by sigmaX »
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