Author Topic: Trolltech Qtopia 2.1 ROM soon (Read 29190 times)

iamasmith · « **Reply #15 on:** November 09, 2004, 02:10:20 pm »

Annoyance is one thing but it is a different motivational factor for different people.

I'm not young free and single and without better things to do - don't take that the wrong way.

I do have a limited amount of time to 'tweak' within a limited framework if I think the payoffs are going to be good.

I have done that with the Sharp ROM, I'm happy with the results.

I'm not too thrilled at running 2.4.18 kernel or gcc 2.95.3 and even more particularly I'm not at ALL thrilled about having binary only drivers which SHOULD taint the kernel flag because they AREN'T strictly GPL !!!! but, as kopsis says it's good enough.

+ I feel that the limited number of kernel options and support libraries build around one set of clibs has actively contributed to the stability of the Zaurus... I mean what other community of Linux users has a better hit rate with one off kernel module publications than us ?

At the end of the day it's horses for courses. The set of apps that I'm running are about as equal in priority terms as some of the more unusual things that I made my Z do. I can do these without losing functionality and until we get proper ATIW100 acceleration, 320x240 mode and simple things like Calendar and Address lists appearing using the full 640x480 screen when you hit the app buttons (from a suspended state) then I don't think I will be going to OPIE.

GPE does interest me a little, but not to the expense of spending ages getting a comparable feature set to my current config. The main interest, however, with GPE is the possibility of easier porting trad Linux apps based on X and the one area that trad Linux apps let down handhelds is that they don't traditionally scale to the smaller screen - this is where GPE with it's handheld layout designed apps like the calendar and address book really win at the moment over PDAXROM (IMHO).

The reason that Qtopia/OPIE type interface really works is that it IS targetted at smaller screens and apps tend to be layed out for use on those screens. I don't subscribe to the idea of making the fonts smaller and cramming too much on the screen - these devices are designed to be easy to use on the move.... Now if you told me that OPIE supported a pretty much direct mirror of all the QT3 (or QT4) calls and you could pretty much take a KDE application, modify a couple of flags and recompile then WOW, I think I would be right in there... I may be wrong but I don't think it's quite there yet.

So, Mickey, Lardman et al, I know that you need all the development effort that you can get and I think that the people working on the OZ/OE projects deserve a LOT of praise but for other practical reasons it just doesn't suit everyone.

- Andy

Mickeyl · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2004, 07:04:02 pm »

Glad you are happy with the SharpROM - after all, it's good you use Linux. I know I may sometimes sound like one, but I'm surely not wanting to be a missionary

acpkendo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2004, 04:14:42 pm »

Slightly OT, but I've just finished playing with Qtopia Desktop. Never tried it before, b/c I'd been mostly with the Sharp ROM, and the one they provided sucks.

Anyway, I'm happy that it sync's well with the Hentges ROM I currently have. I'm REALLY happy about the "Outlook plugins"--they work great too. For upcoming v.2.1 ROM, I'd sure love to see support for notes and e-mail too. . . if not in the Desktop app itself then Outlook plugins for them.

On another note, I think with a little work Qtopia Desktop could be a capable PIM app in its own right. There are plenty of QT-based projects that would allow you to add the necessary functionality (Aethera comes to mind as one that had potential that was never given a chance). If there was a Qtopia Desktop app that could handle calendar, contacts, to-do (which it does already, obviously), e-mail, notes, documents (I like this feature), and maybe RSS news, I'd ditch Outlook no questions asked.

My two cents. . .

vanstrien · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2004, 06:59:38 pm »

lpotter, any indication what classes will not make it into the qglobal.h for the Z? IE, will certain dialog boxes and URL classes still be removed? The Z is a great networked device, but is crippled somewhat when workarounds must be developed for network access.

coolass · « **Reply #19 on:** November 11, 2004, 07:08:04 pm »

Trolltech rep said that Qtopia pda is out but to use it on the zaurus you have to recompile it in a linux build system enviornment and flash the device and that he is running it currently on his SL-6000.

_Psycho · « **Reply #20 on:** November 12, 2004, 11:09:31 am »

I guess the debate is bigger than i thought, i just wanted to know if anyone else was looking forward 2.1

Im using cacko ROM right now, i tried everything possible, its just the best for me.

Every applications i need work fine in 640x480, (A lots of Opie stuff like games were still 320x240 doesnt fit well, I know i could go out and fix them myself, but i dont have the time for that). With the new KDE/PiM, it completed my PDA. It doesnt crash, the memory / swap applet is great, i dont have bugs etc.. The speed is decent.

Im looking 2.1 especially since i know cacko use a couples of apps from Qtopia 1.6 (well i think). The rom will be more complete, more fine tuning, faster a bit i bet with the quichlauncher, better design overall, more features, neat stuff for applet.

I hope it wont be out at the end of december. Maybe they are waiting on the C3000 to support it to release it ? Who know. Or maybe they are waiting on KDE/PiM 2.0 to release the rom with it

Mickeyl · « **Reply #21 on:** November 12, 2004, 03:02:13 pm »

Which models are supposed to be supported by Qtopia 2.1 ?

coolass · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2004, 09:14:41 am »

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Which models are supposed to be supported by Qtopia 2.1 ?

He said it has been tried on all handhelds that support linux not just Sharp ,including Ipaq, and it works fine. They cannot release a direct Zaurus version because it would conflict with their Sharp agreement but it is "Open" software and can be compiled by the user.

tumnus · « **Reply #23 on:** November 13, 2004, 02:50:20 pm »

The full screen handwriting input method in Qtopia 2.1 sounds very interesting.

Does anyone know if they have improved their PIM apps, specifically including exceptions to repeating events and a snooze alarm in the calendar?

While Trolltech cannot produce a ROM for a Zaurus device, can anyone else?

agosine · « **Reply #24 on:** November 21, 2004, 10:45:44 pm »

I understand that a Zaurus specific version of this ROM can't be released, but is there documentation that explains how to compile it?

nilch · « **Reply #25 on:** November 29, 2004, 02:53:51 pm »

If not for anything else, the 2.1 should be worth an upgrade just for the full screen handwriting.

I know, we are all so used to the keyboards, but still a fullscreen might still be more usable for those short quick jotting, rather than the smallish handwriting applet now.

I would love to see Cacko ROM upgrade slowly to this version someday.
Also, does it add any phone features (from the Qtopia phone) to be able to make the Zaurus as a dial-out tool too ?

ced · « **Reply #26 on:** November 29, 2004, 03:03:01 pm »

when can we download this version? currently the only one from their site is version 1.7.

_Psycho · « **Reply #27 on:** November 30, 2004, 09:24:00 am »

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Also, does it add any phone features (from the Qtopia phone) to be able to make the Zaurus as a dial-out tool too ?

From what ljp told me, the phone features wont be in the PDA version, but i could be wrong.

I dont know why peoples say they cant release a ROM. I never saw that mentionned anywhere. Even on they website they say they going to release a ROM for most models. I hope we get it soon too. End of 2004 is getting to the end =P

ceffyl · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2004, 11:48:57 am »

I just checked the Trolltech Web site, and if it is possible to download QT 2.1, I have no idea where.

QT 2.1 ROM screenshots for the phone and PDA version (PDA version shows full-screen handwriting recognition): http://www.trolltech.com/screenshots/qtopia.html

QT 2.1 documentation (lots of good explanations, but no download):
http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia2.1/html/index.html

The links from the Qtopia 2.1 Free Editions documentation page (http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia2.1/html/qtopia-free-editions.html) links only to the Trolltech downloads with versions 1.6 and 1.7.

Anyone heard anything? I would love to use this ROM, even if I have to figure out how to compile it for my device.

Thanks.

~Ceffyl

lpotter · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2004, 03:50:02 pm »

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Which models are supposed to be supported by Qtopia 2.1 ?

Probably 5000d, 5500, 5600, c700 and semi-working 6000. ipaq 3630 also works. maybe even a simpad . Because I only have these machines to test.

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Author Topic: Trolltech Qtopia 2.1 ROM soon (Read 29190 times)