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« on: March 06, 2005, 08:52:09 pm »
Hey OZ guys,
I want to use something other than the stock Sharp ROM since I need the PIM to work with QTopiaDesktop. Right now I have to use the 2.37 ROM with QTopiaDesktop 1.7.0. There is a bug in the Sharp ROM that makes the timezones incompatible.

Anyway, I'd like to try OZ but I'm not sure which zImage to use and why. I'd like to stay with the simple idea that Sharp had so I'm not looking to develop. This is my PDA!  Anyway, I've tried the 32+32 zImage as well as the 64+0, but I don't get my full RAM to install so I can install my programs back on it.

What happens is I install it to RAM but it doesn't show in the menus. When I run it from command, it barks that it can't find the programs/files it needs! ARGH!

Any suggestions? Is there a different ROM I should try other than the OZ ROM that will allow for this?

Again, I'm not looking to develop, but to make the Zaurus work the way it did with Windows.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2005, 10:51:11 pm »
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Anyway, I'd like to try OZ but I'm not sure which zImage to use and why. I'd like to stay with the simple idea that Sharp had so I'm not looking to develop. This is my PDA!  Anyway, I've tried the 32+32 zImage as well as the 64+0, but I don't get my full RAM to install so I can install my programs back on it.

What happens is I install it to RAM but it doesn't show in the menus. When I run it from command, it barks that it can't find the programs/files it needs! ARGH!

Do you have  CF or SD card to install your applications on or are you planning to use the 32-32 ramdisk like under the sharp rom?

You may need to run

ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram

After you have installed what you want.


(I'm not 100% sure on the /mnt/ram part, I dont have a ramdisk on my Z)
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2005, 08:35:23 am »
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Do you have  CF or SD card to install your applications on or are you planning to use the 32-32 ramdisk like under the sharp rom?

You may need to run

ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram

After you have installed what you want.
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I'll try that. I'm not going to use a cf or sd at the moment. Therefore I need the 32 if possible.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2005, 12:55:08 pm »
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Do you have  CF or SD card to install your applications on or are you planning to use the 32-32 ramdisk like under the sharp rom?

You may need to run

ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram

After you have installed what you want.
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I'll try that. I'm not going to use a cf or sd at the moment. Therefore I need the 32 if possible.
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Well I have the icons now tbut there are still errors. I'm getting undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2005, 01:04:36 pm »
Install the compat libs to get rid of that error.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2005, 01:05:44 pm »
You have installed an application that has been compiled with a version of gcc prior to 3.*, whilst OZ uses gcc 3.* now. This would be a problem on all linux flavors as well...

The change was made due to the fact that compiling with gcc 3.* results in faster programms, which of course is nice  You'd need to get the source of you programms and compile them with the newer gcc (chec the OpenEmbedded stuff for that). Or you could install the compat libraries. They come with a programm where you can make certain programs (the ones that have the above errors) use the compat libs, and after that change they will work again.

To avoid that problem install programs from the OpenZaurus feed whenever possible.

If you need more help, or on a specific program, well, ask

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2005, 03:51:39 pm »
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You have installed an application that has been compiled with a version of gcc prior to 3.*, whilst OZ uses gcc 3.* now. This would be a problem on all linux flavors as well...

The change was made due to the fact that compiling with gcc 3.* results in faster programms, which of course is nice  You'd need to get the source of you programms and compile them with the newer gcc (chec the OpenEmbedded stuff for that). Or you could install the compat libraries. They come with a programm where you can make certain programs (the ones that have the above errors) use the compat libs, and after that change they will work again.

To avoid that problem install programs from the OpenZaurus feed whenever possible.

If you need more help, or on a specific program, well, ask

Cheers
Philipp
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Huh...The few games I have I downloaded from the OZ feed dir in 3.5.2. Billiards is one for example. Can I install the oz-compat in /mnt/ram or does it need to be installed in root? I don't have enough in root. I'll see if I can make some more room.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2005, 05:27:17 pm »
The programs from the feed don't need the compat libs; you must have tried to run something else to see that error.

I think it'll probably work if installed to RAM (or a CF/SD card). Try it and see.


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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2005, 03:45:21 am »
Yeah, the compat libs don't have to be installed. You just have to remember to run ipkg-link! Maybe your package manager does that for you, I think aqpkg does it? Whatever, I always use the commandline...

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2005, 09:32:47 pm »
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Yeah, the compat libs don't have to be installed. You just have to remember to run ipkg-link! Maybe your package manager does that for you, I think aqpkg does it? Whatever, I always use the commandline...

Cheers
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THanks guys. I've gotten the some apps to work, but I'm still having path problems. Is there a setup that sorta "mimics" the sharp rom? I'm looking for an alternative to the Sharp ROM that can sync with Qtopia Desktop on Linux. I play with dev from time to time but I mainly use my Zaurus as a PDA and sometimes handheld CPU. I'd prefer a ROM that works like the Sharp ROM.

Any suggestions?
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2005, 07:30:21 am »
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THanks guys. I've gotten the some apps to work, but I'm still having path problems. Is there a setup that sorta "mimics" the sharp rom? I'm looking for an alternative to the Sharp ROM that can sync with Qtopia Desktop on Linux. I play with dev from time to time but I mainly use my Zaurus as a PDA and sometimes handheld CPU. I'd prefer a ROM that works like the Sharp ROM.

Any suggestions?
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I am in the same boat as you. At the moment I am hoping that the new Qtopia ROM will fulfill my needs. They have released an initial beta but it is clear that it requires a lot of work. IRDA and suspend are broken on the 5500 ROM. As they are giving this away free I don't suppose fixing these problems will be a high priority.

To be honest, I would be perfectly content to run the latest Sharp ROM if only they would release a compatible version of Qtopia desktop for Linux. If a small fraction of the effort put into all the other Zaurus development projects had been directed towards producing an open source Qtopia Desktop this would have been solved ages ago.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2005, 03:38:41 pm »
As per TrollTech's site, it's sharp's problem. They are using the wrong version of QTopia Development. :/  If they do fix it, I'd be happy.

http://www.trolltech.com/developer/faqs/qt...tml?cid=22#q130

That's why I started looking at OZ.  

BTW, where do you d/l the QTopia ROM? I must have missed it on the site.

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To be honest, I would be perfectly content to run the latest Sharp ROM if only they would release a compatible version of Qtopia desktop for Linux. If a small fraction of the effort put into all the other Zaurus development projects had been directed towards producing an open source Qtopia Desktop this would have been solved ages ago.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2005, 08:34:42 pm »
The TrollTech 5500 image has been updated with working APM support last I installed it.

Still no IR to my knowledge.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2005, 08:39:15 pm »
Great!  But my question remains, where does one download the trolltech rom? I didn't find it on the site.

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The TrollTech 5500 image has been updated with working APM support last I installed it.

Still no IR to my knowledge.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2005, 11:47:46 pm »
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Great!  But my question remains, where does one download the trolltech rom? I didn't find it on the site.

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The TrollTech 5500 image has been updated with working APM support last I installed it.

Still no IR to my knowledge.
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[a href=\"http://www.qtopia.net]http://www.qtopia.net[/url]
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