New Zaurus Announced: Sl-c1000

[craigtyson]

Just to Make arguing (sorry discussion) easyer Iv ran the Spec Page through Bable :-
 
Product type turn  SL-C1000  
OS Linux ® (Lineo uLinux)
CPU Intel ® XScale ™ (PXA270 416mHz)
Indication 640×480 dot 65,536 color transmitted type system liquid crystal 3.7 type (the back light it is attached)
Memory capacity Flash 128MB
RAM (work area) 64MB
User area Approximately 63MB (shipment spatial-temporal coming capacity approximately 52MB)
Card slot SD card ●
Compact flash card (Type2) (*1  ●
Connected terminal I/O port −
Infrared ray communication terminal (IrcDa system) ●
Communication adapter terminal −
Stereo headphone terminal (phi 3.5 mm) ●
USB port ●
Power source DC3.7V lithium ion charge pond - (EA-BL11 attachment)
AC adapter ●
Electric power consumption 2.3w
Operating time (standard) (*2  Front light/write going out −
Brightness smallest Continual indication: Approximately 8 hour
Brightness maximum of Continual indication: Approximately 5 hour
External size At the time of liquid crystal wire protector removal Width approximately 124× depth approximately 87× thickness approximately 25 (mm)
(The projection section is excluded, thickness the most is thin section)
At the time of liquid crystal wire protector installation
Mass (*3  At the time of liquid crystal wire protector removal Approximately 278g
At the time of liquid crystal wire protector installation −
Accessory for personal computer connection USB cable
* As for corresponding circumstance to the LAN card, the radio LAN card and the general telephone line * portable * PHS modem card and the like, please view support.
 
 < Software > (Something related to network)
Browser (*4  NetFront 3.1
Automatic round function ●
Mail software ●
Multiple account ●
Network setting (connected setting assist) ●
Smart connected function ●
(Something related to PC cooperation)
Zaurus shot ●
Print image transfer ●
Zaurus drive ●
USB storage system correspondence ●
Outlook ® with synchronizing ●
Word processor HancomMobileWord
(Templet recording)
Chart calculation HancomMobileSheet
(Templet recording)
Text editor * memo pad ●
Private information management (PIM)
Address register ●
Calendar ●
ToDo ●
Multimedia
Picture software Image note
Photograph viewer
Sliding show function ●
Animated picture playback - (MPEG4)
Music playback - (MP3 and WMA)
Audio sound recording - (The separate microphone is needed)
Still picture photographing −
Sharp Space Town contents
Zaurus library ●
Presentation ●
Electronic dictionary ●
Data base ●
Recombination guide ●
In addition
English Japan & Japanese-English translation software −
Java −
Worldwide clock ●
Portable calculator ●
7 column postal code dictionary ●
User dictionary ●
ブンコビューア ●
Zaurus data movement MI Zaurus data movement and SL Zaurus data movement
In addition Such as clock, infrared ray reception, help and system
< CD-ROM recording software >
(For substance) The trial version software (Shanghai, mah-jongg - it is green the heaven 牌 -), the AirCompass and the QPdf (the PDF Viewer for Zaurus), the terminal, P-in card setting and all the data transmissions (the software for the SL-A300), such as voice
(For personal computer) Zaurus shot, Zaurus drive, backup / restoring and Intellisync for Zaurus (synchronizer of Outlook and data movement from Palm Desktop) et cetera
 

 

(The *1) it corresponds to the equipment of the operating voltage 3.3v.

When (the *2) use temperature 25 DEGC with the calendar is made to indicate in continually.

(The *3) the touch pen, the charge pond, the protective card it includes.

(*4) XHTML1.0/HTML4.01 conformity, CSS correspondence and JavaScript1.5 subset specification, frame correspondence, Cookie correspondence and SSL/TSL (128bit) correspondence.

[iamasmith]

....I am with iamasmith on this one.

I think it would be cheaper for them to put a larger amount of NAND memory on board too, and even if it wasn't there is a good reason why a CF card is unlikely...

I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.

Cheers
Marc
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Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.

As far as someone elses argument about $20 for a CF card, $1 for a connector how about.

Sharp Loss per Unit of sale = $21 + Price of SL-C3000 - Price of SL-1000

...no I don't think there will be a CF connector inside allowing people to just pop a card in....

Could be wrong though.

[padishah_emperor]

I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.

Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.

This is a flaw I think in the design of many machines now, what (in principle) would be involved in moving the read/write operations to a replaceable memory card?  The price of this new machine is very tempting but I still worry about hammering the internal flash, especially with compiling and swapping on the machine.

[adf]

I wouldn't say the more models the better.

I, in the past year, have had a 5600 and a 6000.

As a result I am now much more concerned about (OS) software than about hardware.
I'd rather have real native debian on an axim than sharp/embedix on a 1000 (not that it is available, and xqt/pocketworkstation isn't quite the same)

The 1k is a nice box.

a nice rom would make it much more interesting.

A fully open source rom would be even better.

More expansion (2nd cf) and a good os would make it compelling

[kahm]

I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.

Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.

This is a flaw I think in the design of many machines now, what (in principle) would be involved in moving the read/write operations to a replaceable memory card?  The price of this new machine is very tempting but I still worry about hammering the internal flash, especially with compiling and swapping on the machine.
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I symlink all of my datafiles onto my SD card. I install applications to the internal memory on my 860, but all of my working files end up on external cards. Not a perfect solution, but enough to extend the usable life of the internal flash.  This issue is one of the reasons that I'm so looking forward to a 3000, and won't be getting a 1000.

[iamasmith]

...

I symlink all of my datafiles onto my SD card. I install applications to the internal memory on my 860, but all of my working files end up on external cards. Not a perfect solution, but enough to extend the usable life of the internal flash.  This issue is one of the reasons that I'm so looking forward to a 3000, and won't be getting a 1000.
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Same here... if we can assume that there is write spreading technology on the NAND flash in the Z then the comparatively low number of writes should give the device a relatively long life if you mainly use SD or CF.

BTW: I've also ordered a 3000 too and just received a rather cool email from TriSoft with a link to an AVI showing it being packed....my 3000... with my address sticker.... how cool is that ?

[speculatrix]

I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.

Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.

CF cards have an internal controller which spreads the writing to even out the aging; 10,000 cycles on a specific location is one figure I have read as a typical life span.

As far as someone elses argument about $20 for a CF card, $1 for a connector how about.

I wuz the one who said $21 for a CF + connector; if it's an unpackaged card Sharp will get them even cheaper.

Sharp Loss per Unit of sale = $21 + Price of SL-C3000 - Price of SL-1000

Yeah, but on the other hand, they probably make a nice markup on the microdrives, so the SL-C3000 will give a good margin. People who can't afford a 3000 at the moment have no choice at all given the 860 is out of production. If you want a Z with a microdrive, you won't buy a 1000 and upgrade it, you'll buy a 3000. There *might* be people who'll buy a 1000, take the 128MB flash card out and stick in a 1GB or 2GB flash card in. But maybe Sharp will sell a 2000 with a bigger flash card in by default - this new product could allow them to cover a wider market.

...no I don't think there will be a CF connector inside allowing people to just pop a card in....

Just because noone's so far replaced the microdrive in a 3000 with a fast big flash card doesn't mean to say it can't be done... it must be possible, since CF interface is designed to look like PATA hard drive.

Anyway, the truth is out there! And naturally, the 1000 emerges just as I bought an 860

[iamasmith]

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Just because noone's so far replaced the microdrive in a 3000 with a fast big flash card doesn't mean to say it can't be done... it must be possible, since CF interface is designed to look like PATA hard drive.

...
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Sure, as I mentioned on another posting 6Gb CF is around 1,500 USD (unless you can find an fully functional OEM model)  and there's even a  12Gb card knocking around now at a cool 15,000 USD. When the prices come down (A LOT) a bit and I've had my 3000 for a long, long time I might consider it.

- Andy

[padishah_emperor]

I'm pretty sure CF cards have a limited number of writes, so you are putting a potential timebomb in your system if you start to rely on them as storage for something like an operating system.

Sorry to say but NAND flash has the same issue, limited number of writes.

This is a flaw I think in the design of many machines now, what (in principle) would be involved in moving the read/write operations to a replaceable memory card?  The price of this new machine is very tempting but I still worry about hammering the internal flash, especially with compiling and swapping on the machine.
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I symlink all of my datafiles onto my SD card. I install applications to the internal memory on my 860, but all of my working files end up on external cards. Not a perfect solution, but enough to extend the usable life of the internal flash.  This issue is one of the reasons that I'm so looking forward to a 3000, and won't be getting a 1000.
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mmh, I did something similar with the 860, I wish someone would bring out a Linux handheld (apart from the Yopy of course) which didn't use internal flash, even an internal microdrive is problematic, what happens when it dies? Is it replaceable? Sigh! The C1000 is very attractive, I've been very close to taking the plunge in the last hour or so...

EDIT: I've started a new thread on the flash issue if anyone cares to pitch in - [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl=]https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl=[/url]

[kahm]

mmh, I did something similar with the 860, I wish someone would bring out a Linux handheld (apart from the Yopy of course) which didn't use internal flash, even an internal microdrive is problematic, what happens when it dies? Is it replaceable? Sigh! The C1000 is very attractive, I've been very close to taking the plunge in the last hour or so...

EDIT: I've started a new thread on the flash issue if anyone cares to pitch in - https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11272&hl=
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The hard drive in the 3000 is pretty easily removeable. How hard it is to run a different card in there is one of the things I'll be investigating when I get my 3000.

[xjqian]

Power Consumption
C3000  C1000  C860
3.2W    2.3W    2.7W
Why C1000 has lower power consumption than C860. Advantage of the new CPU PXA270? I understand the higher power consumption in C3000 must be the HDD. How does the saving in power consumption translate to usable time?

I wish the screen would be Transflective as in 6000L, instead of transmissive only.

[davidmcnaught16]

At similar power consumption levels (3-4w), surely you could have a PDA running a VIA Eden processor? (1w @ 300Mhz)  If there were an x86 Z, I'm sure it would have a market.  

Would it be possible to make something like a Z, but X86?  If they can make things like the OQO & Sony U series, surely they could do a much cheaper cut down vesrion running a VIA Eden, AMD Geode or something with less ram etc?

It would be class to have a PDA that can perform nearly as well as an old 300Mhz PC & run x86 stuff properly!

[iamasmith]

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Why C1000 has lower power consumption than C860. Advantage of the new CPU PXA270? ....
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Yes, the PXA270 on equivalent clock rates to the other processors is more power efficient + I think there are fewer supporting chipsets in a PXA270 board design... oh and the ATI W100 is now gone.

[a href=\"http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html]http://ezaurus.com/lineup/sl/compare_spec.html[/url]

Chuck the URL above into babelfish.altavista.com for a comparative list of features including runtime under various scenarios.

[ev1l]

Yes, the PXA270 on equivalent clock rates to the other processors is more power efficient + I think there are fewer supporting chipsets in a PXA270 board design... oh and the ATI W100 is now gone.

The ATi w100 was gone in the 3000 already. it's pretty much good for nothing except accelerating MPEG with experimental drivers. Yay.

Edit: question: whats the difference between the OpenPDA and Lineo kernels?

[maslovsky]

Edit: question: whats the difference between the OpenPDA and Lineo kernels?
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Just different names for the same product I think...