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5600 software limitations?
« on: January 16, 2004, 05:10:04 pm »
So I am ready to buy one of these. I am leaning towards the 5600, but I am worried that there is not enough free software out there for it. I.E. there is a lot of software out there for the 5500 that cannot be used on the 5600. Is this true?
Also, can you do line in recording for the 5600?
Is there any way to have a usb device be plugged into the 5600 through one of the slots?
I found a patch that allows the Targus Wireless PDA keyboard to work for the 5600. Does it work?
Any and all comments would be great.
Of course if I was really patient I would wait for the 6000. But I aint.
Thanks, Brad.

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2004, 07:51:39 pm »
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I.E. there is a lot of software out there for the 5500 that cannot be used on the 5600. Is this true?

No, unless it is real low level stuff (kernel modules, etc.) all the 5500 stuff will run on the 5600.

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Is there any way to have a usb device be plugged into the 5600 through one of the slots?

It won\'t work AFAIK.

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2004, 12:33:06 pm »
So I am the one who posted this. After owning the 5600 for about 2 weeks I would have to say I am frustrated that several programs do not work for the 5600 along with the fact that there are no stable alternative ROMS that work on the 5600 (Please someone tell me I am wrong here). I do not know anything about programming, but it seems to me that a lot of effort was put into making programs on the 5500 and not much effort has been put into the 5600.  With all of that said I will stick with the 5600 since it has a longer battery life and brighter screen (so I have been told).

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2004, 01:00:17 pm »
What doesn\'t run on your 5600 in particular?

Stable roms - true, this is a problem as most people have 5500 or c7xx machines, however if you\'re willing to help in the development then you will speed the process.


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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2004, 02:02:13 pm »
I have owned a 5600 for about 2 months now and have not had any major issues running 5500 software on it. The only programs I have not been able to run is Wellenreiter, Kismet and some OZ specific programs. I plan to upgrade to OZ once a stable release is available though which should work with Wellenreiter and Kismet. There has not been many programs written specifically for the XScale processor yet but I\'m sure more will be released in the future. There is a Dr.Z Video Player for XScale but I haven\'t tried it.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2004, 02:49:35 pm »
I\'ve had my 5600 for a week, I\'ve installed the \'special\' sharp rom that removes the software fix for the 250 and I\'ve only got praise for the guy that compiled that.. THANK YOU.. its such speed improvement.  As for running software, I have had three very obscure issues.  Firstly an app called Discovery is installed, wont run properly and I cant uninstall it. Secondly I can setup a pptp vpn due to an incomplete package and finally I noticed that if I keep my 5600 in the cradle and extend it so that the keyboard is exposed the battery charging indicator keeps on saying its charging.
Over the past week I\'ve updated ROMS, installed and removed numerous packages and currently I\'ve got Kismet, the rotation software, the full qtopia back compile (advanced file manager, battery app, brightness control, card monitor, clock, irda detect, sysinfo & text edit) as well as a terminal app, zradio, the zbedic distionary and a multitude of game working perfectly WITHOUT ONE CRASH so far (knock on wood)

This is all from someone who knew absolutely zero about linux a week ago.  To the guy that started this (Brad?) I\'d say stick with it. There is a steep learning curve if you knew as little as I did but everyday I\'m blown away by the quality of the gpl software and I\'m now looking for a gcc for windows... anyone care to point me in a direction please?

5600 rocks

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2004, 03:50:59 pm »
You can install cygwin on your windows box :-

 http://www.cygwin.com/

and then install the crosscompiler on top of that :-

http://takahr.dhis.portside.net/cgi-bin/rw...+on+Cygwin%3Aen

But my advice, would be to install either a dual boot linux, or install linux on an old, unwanted PC that I am sure you will either have, or be able to get for a few peanuts.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2004, 04:00:32 pm »
Thanks zbones, I think I will follow your advice and learn how to do a proper linux install.  The novelty of running cool apps on the Z is finite and I\'m ready to start devling in to linux proper. Its about time I cut the umbilicle with windows anyway.  I got a free Lindows install (developer) is that worth it or should I use a more traditonal install? i.e. redhat??

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2004, 04:07:39 pm »
I\'ve not tried lindows,

I started by installing cygwin, which is a halway house, but I soon got very board with it.

I tried several distros, Debian, redhat etc.

I settled for mandrake eventually as it installed and recognised all my hardware on the first go. No further tweaking rquired, the crosscompiler installed onto it first time too.

The iso cd images can be down;loaded from here, for free.

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en-gb/
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2004, 04:35:50 pm »
I am a total newbie with Linux and do not like code. I tried installing Mandrake 9.2 and it did not want to work on my computer (cd rom issues?). I installed the newest Redhat and even I could install it. Totally point and click. no code needed. Now I know you hardcore Linux users dont like that, but if you want the rest of us to use Linux it has to be user friendly. Not all of us want to learn code. Brad.

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2004, 05:15:57 pm »
You know, it always baffles me why people make statements like \"if you want the rest of to use Linux\"...  I DON\'T want the rest of the world using Linux.  Why should I care? Open Source works as long as people give as much as they take.  When an inflood of people come in who whine about everything and don\'t contribute back to the community, then no one benefits.  Brad, I don\'t think you\'ll ever be happy with the Zaurus, so why not do everyone, especially yourself, a favor, get the PocketPC, and stop worrying about it.


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I am a total newbie with Linux and do not like code. I tried installing Mandrake 9.2 and it did not want to work on my computer (cd rom issues?). I installed the newest Redhat and even I could install it. Totally point and click. no code needed. Now I know you hardcore Linux users dont like that, but if you want the rest of us to use Linux it has to be user friendly. Not all of us want to learn code. Brad.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2004, 06:40:33 am »
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Now I know you hardcore Linux users dont like that, but if you want the rest of us to use Linux it has to be user friendly. Not all of us want to learn code. Brad.


Actually I think this is a valid point, for the Zaurus in particular to be able to gain significant market share it really will have to be very user friendly. That said I also agree with this bit in the reply:

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Open Source works as long as people give as much as they take. When an inflood of people come in who whine about everything and don\'t contribute back to the community, then no one benefits.

<RANT>
(This is not targeted at you Brad, just that the conversation sparked this off) I don\'t think any of us is paid to inhabit the forums, I\'ve worked my way from knowing absolutely nothing about Linux (Sept \'02 when I bought my Z) to being fairly competent now. I had to work my way up just as you are doing.

Now the things which annoy me are:

1) not searching before posting a question - there is nothing more annoying for me than seeing someone post an identical question which I\'ve already answered (many times before). At one point I had a txt file of answers which I just copied and pasted from in reply to these \'standard\' questions (see this link: http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?...7&hl=questions)

2) People not supplying enough information - this smacks of laziness, if you haven\'t bothered to list the relevant info in a posting chances are you haven\'t even tried to work out what is wrong yourself. Now there are cases where people just don\'t know enough/what they should tell us so this is slightly biased I realise

3) People demanding answers, then getting pissed off when they don\'t materialise. My first problem was to do with using the dialup scripting. It wouldn\'t authenticate, I knew nothing about Linux. I posted all of the relevant information (the post is now long gone I\'m afraid along with the rest of zauruszone) but still there wasn\'t a clear cut answer. So I read the dialup/ppp/etc. FAQs (www.tldp.org), worked out how to get syslog enabled and finally found out that all I needed to do was to add a trailing tilde to my dialup script. I was really frustrated that no-one could answer my question, but I did realise that I wasn\'t paying for them to answer so I really had to rely on myself (and my uni tech support who do get paid in a roundabout way ;-).

I\'ve probably become one of those people which newbies complain about. Perhaps it\'s just evolution :-)

</RANT>

Best regards to you all, I feel much better now.


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