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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2005, 11:24:52 am »
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Is the feel of the 4-way navigation pad affected at all by the plastic covering the keyboard[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=72128\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Nathanwms,

as mentioned in our post above, we're very satisfied with this
solution. The plastic is not really disturbing the usage of the
keyboard, including the navigation pad.

Give us and PielFrama about 4 more weeks. Then we can talk
about the final case and i'm sure there will be soon a lot of
reviews about them.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2005, 11:47:18 am »
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Yep, looks pretty good.... it's a shame that we don't see cases of this....

http://www1.vajacases.com/images/notebook/...o111in/main.jpg

...quality for the 3000 though (and before you say its $350... this is a laptop case... the PDA cases are cheaper but still relatively expensive.)

- Andy
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Wow that looked real neat !!! It had some style.

Of course the Piel Frama cases are good .
Mark, I would love to have a crocodile leather case (if its not that expensive (and I detest the tought of having Crocodile leather on my Zaurus - another of those species on the endengered list) but I like the feel of that leather generally. Maybe you could stock a few, instead of having a 4 week waiting time.

The Plastic sheeting on the keyboard is putting me off a bit (without really having a feel of the thing true). Couldnt there be a different solution ? I mean touching the actual keyboard (since the C3000/1000 keyboard is better than the film types on the C7xxx) surely must feel better than typing over a plastic sheet. Thas one reason I avoided those spill proof keyboards - essentially there was just a plastic film or lamination on the keyboard.

Secondly, won't the plastic sheeting touch the screen when its closed down? I just hope that doesnt happen and there are no scrathes from the sheet onto the screen.

Is the sample fully finished and well cut ? I got a feeling the edges were not finished off nicely.

Marc, I am just trying to look ahead, not criticise the design beforehand. As you said, putting in my inputs before the final design decision is made. Otherwise the case looks very good - extremely hardy and professional looks about it.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2005, 01:30:53 pm »
Nilch,

thank you for the clear opinion. And we LOVE to get criticism and
ideas early enough to change things before we have a product
finished.

I don't see a chance to get rid off the plastic area over the keyboad.
We had a different solution for the SL-C7/8 cases, but the users
were uncomfortable with it. Also PielFrama uses excellent and very
soft leather, so using the plastic will hold the edges better in shape
compared to the previous cases.

Touching the keyboard is really fine even with the sheet over it.

The touchscreen of the C series models is a bit back towards the
cover, so i don't see a possibility to contact the screen or
damaging it.

The "crocodile" cases from PielFrama are not really crocodile
leather. They call it "cowskin crocodile", meaning that it will have
the look and feel of crocodile. I would stock a few but we're
working with PielFrama since 2002 and sold only 4 (!) cases in
crocodile in these 3 years   .

Concerning the edges it looks a bit weird on the photos, but we're
also uncomfortable with the right side (the CF-slot) and they will
change the outline on that side a bit. We can be sure that the
finished product will be a blast    

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2005, 02:27:07 pm »
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I don't see a chance to get rid off the plastic area over the keyboad.
We had a different solution for the SL-C7/8 cases, but the users
were uncomfortable with it.
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I don't know if it's been suggested before, but looking at my C3000, there is plenty of room around the entire keyboard section to include a plastic lip, yet still leave the keyboard open via a "cutout", so to speak.  There's even plenty of space around the rubber screen bumpers at the bottom of the keyboard.  Would that be a possibility?

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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2005, 02:50:52 pm »
Being objective and putting aside my design preferences on the visual side for a momement I think that it's worth pointing out to people criticising the plastic film approach that this is what actually gives the case structural integrity.

If you look closely the corners of the leather are linked by single link stitches at the top. The structure of the main mounting area for the unit is actually created by the inclusion of the plastic film.

I would suggest two things.

i. Retain as much of the platic area as possible, if you open a window for the cursor pad then it will trap grime. If it works don't fix that.

ii. Round off the corners and overlock the leather rather than bring it to a point. Lock that with a couple of stitches down each corner and that will give the case more of a quality feel.

I don't have any ideas on how to avoid the buckle in the CF card area other than putting a zipper, velcro flap or a shaped metal insert over that area because the deformity seems to be coming from the stress on the portion of the leather coming from the screen depressing the plastic film.

One thing that's maybe not that obvious is that Piel Frama have obviously done a GREAT job in keeping the external dimensions of the case on the small side compared with a naked Z... there's still I thing a possibility that this case will still fit in a suit pocket.

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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2005, 03:02:42 pm »
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I don't know if it's been suggested before, but looking at my C3000, there is plenty of room around the entire keyboard section to include a plastic lip, yet still leave the keyboard open via a "cutout", so to speak.  There's even plenty of space around the rubber screen bumpers at the bottom of the keyboard.  Would that be a possibility?

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I think just making that lip (nstead of the whole plastic cover across the keyboard) will indeed make the hold structurally weaker. I guess that is all that is holding the Zaurus together to the case.

Maybe I will live with the plastic - hope its clear as anything.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2005, 08:13:52 am »
Marc,

only my 2 cents,
why don't You paste two small (removable) velcro-straps on the battery-cover and appropriate place on the case?
In this case IMHO there is no need of the film on the keyboard and leather-straps  sidelog of Z anymore

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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2005, 05:28:45 pm »
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Marc,

only my 2 cents,
why don't You paste two small (removable) velcro-straps on the battery-cover and appropriate place on the case?
In this case IMHO there is no need of the film on the keyboard and leather-straps  sidelog of Z anymore

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Then it would be just like every other C-series case in production. Every case I saw when I was in Japan was a leather wrap around that uses something (velcro, sticky plastic, or plastic clips) to hold the Z. It left all three sides completely open. At least the Piel provides some side protection.

Personally I just want a leather slipcase that fits the Z. I've used the Palm Pilot Pro slipcase that I got years ago with both my Palm Vx and Clie TJ35 and loved it. I haven't found anything similar that fits the Z, though.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2005, 08:20:45 pm »
I am sure production date must be close...

but just one point - I hope there is a holder somewhere (a elastic loop maybe) to hold the USB cable that Trisoft also provides with the C1000.

With my SL-6000L I realised this problem - since I always carry the USB host cable (you never know when you need to plug in some USB memory stick or keyboard), it would be good to have a holder for that in the case itself.
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2005, 12:06:01 am »
FWIW....

I recently got the PDAir Case for my C3000.

All in all, a very nice case and I've had several Vaja cases for other PDA's in the past...
Not saying that it's equivalent to a Vaja..but very good quality.

Just that it's a very nice case, well made, has some storage for cards; business cards and
CF/SD or credit cards, and doesn't rely on having a sheet of plastic over the keyboard area!!

Also, price is very reasonable...

Anyway, just my 2¢.....

 

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2005, 02:29:07 pm »
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FWIW....

I recently got the PDAir Case for my C3000.

All in all, a very nice case and I've had several Vaja cases for other PDA's in the past...
Not saying that it's equivalent to a Vaja..but very good quality.

Just that it's a very nice case, well made, has some storage for cards; business cards and
CF/SD or credit cards, and doesn't rely on having a sheet of plastic over the keyboard area!!

Also, price is very reasonable...

Anyway, just my 2¢.....

 

Mark
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I agree with Mark. PDAir case is awesome. Very good quality without the plastic keyboard cover. I got mine from Japan!

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2005, 04:06:56 pm »
I had a PDair case for my C750, and a Piel Frama case for my 5000D
Quality wise - the Piel case is far better...

Wait till you get a Piel case in your hands guys...
and then you are going to be gushing    

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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2005, 02:07:06 pm »
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To avoid these complains we asked PielFrama if they could
do the belt in plastic instead of leather for the 3000 series.
This wasn't easy, normally they _only_ use leather as material.
So we have a small, transparent plastic stripe holding the
Zaurus in place.

Hi Trisoft,
seems you have some influence on the product design of PielFrama.
Could You ask them to make a small hole in the back of the cases for the 860/1000/3000 Zauri, so that it will be possible to plug the charging adapter into the Z. while the case is being closed? Would be a great improvement!

Thanks
Andreas

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2005, 03:07:51 pm »
Andreas,

I would suggest this is a bad idea. Manufacturers design their equipment to be charged without regard to additional casing.

A byproduct of charging tends to be heat and I know that when I first got my G2 iPod and started charging whilst in the slip case there were some questions posted on the Apple website about the screen taking on some strange characteristics when charged this way... closely followed by a warning from Apple not to charge whilst in the case.

I'm pretty wary of this now and suggest caution especially with such a nice screen as the SL-C3000 has.

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2005, 07:31:06 pm »
I always charged my C750 sitting in its case (Pdair) with the case closed on it of course.
Didnt see any problems or heat buildup . But one never knows.

Oh sure - the power charge hole should be there - its a pint to have to take it off the case to charge.
Plus I would love to have a holder for the USB host cable (provided by Trisoft themselves).
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