C1000 -> No Internal Hdd Option

[nathanwms]

ORG,

Here's that site run through Excite Translator.  Hope you can get a little more info from this:


..".. PDA for Zaurus SL-C3000/1000  STAND" Debut.  

 ｢PDA STAND for SL-C3000/1000｣

Appearance of PDA stand.
PDA stand is taken and thing used is addition ..PDA of assumption.. keyboard
On desk SHARP Zaurus SL-C3000/1000 that cry with definitive edition of PDA is high
The bold concept under was developed use while put on the car.
It fixes to the dashboard of on the desk and the car with a double-faced tape of the attachment, and variety.
It can access information.
It is Acse in the Internet because it can use it together with the CF card such as PHS cards.
Sing can enjoy oneself driving while acquiring information.
It is composed of parts with very high accuracy manufactured at the factory in Japan.
The solid one that a movable part endures the use of a long term is adopted.
Metallic parts are multiused in consideration of the commodity characteristic that the stability when setting it up is demanded.
Weight has been given. Feeling of quality and weight feeling only of metal product
It doesn't fix with the double-faced tape on the desk to say nothing of the stability improvement in car.
It has and it is possible to do for Tsca.

Correspondence: SL-C3000/1000
 
Commodity type turn: PH-12
Special price \3980
(including tax)

[speculatrix]

BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860   As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Anton, did this work?

I'm torn between wanting to get my 860 upgraded in some way, or buying a 1000/3000 instead and seeing what magic can be done with them.

[speculatrix]

As soon as I get my C1000, I'm planning to add an internal CF connector. I have a friend of mine who can easily sodler one, assuming the C1000 uses the same PSB and contacts on the board are indeed connected...
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Having looked carefully at both boards, I am wondering if it might not be easier to upgrade the flash in the C3000 instead?

Shame Sharp didn't bring out a 4000 model at the same time as the 1000, only with more ROM and RAM :-/   (if every time someone on OESF bemoaned Sharp's lack of insight they added 1MB, we'd have a 1GB zaurus :-)

[maslovsky]

BTW, we're about to perform a 128 Mb RAM upgrade to his C860   As soon as we find the memory chips we need (seems to be very tricky), he's going to do the hardware part and me - the software (kernel patching, etc.)
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Anton, did this work?

I'm torn between wanting to get my 860 upgraded in some way, or buying a 1000/3000 instead and seeing what magic can be done with them.
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We're still looking for the memory chips

[guylhem]

Try toshiba USA - I could find some chips there. However the problem is now finding a way to receive them

Part number is th58100tg or th58100ft (identical). If someone can purchase them I'd be happy to paypal the chips.

[adf]

depends on how much ready cash it will eat

and... if I can get pics and a how to to take a similar operation to my elecronics& soldering wizard...

edit: a search on toshibausa.com found niether chip. pointers?

[guylhem]

http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Dat...00FT-01-3-5.pdf

A Samsung K9D1G08U0M YCB0 could be fine too:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconduc...uide_010623.pdf

UPDATE - looks like a memory stick could be used as an organ donator:
http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html

I'll rush to my local shop to see how much 128 Mb Memory Sticks costs and see if there're transparent ones so I can check the reference.

[albertr]

http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Dat...00FT-01-3-5.pdf

A Samsung K9D1G08U0M YCB0 could be fine too:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconduc...uide_010623.pdf

UPDATE - looks like a memory stick could be used as an organ donator:
http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html

I'll rush to my local shop to see how much 128 Mb Memory Sticks costs and see if there're transparent ones so I can check the reference.
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These are nand flash chips, and I believe c860 already has a 128MB one. I think Anton was mentioning 128MB RAM upgrade. Not sure how easy it could be done, thou. If RAM chip is in BGA packing, I think it will require a soldering station to perform such an upgrade. Even if it's TSOP, legs are still very tiny...
-albertr

[guylhem]

Hello

[crossposted to the SL6000 forum]

Now I have a better understanding on hardware memory upgrades - good & bad news.

The bad news: the memory stick I opened was a 8 Mb TSOP40 (bad luck - it must be TSOP48 to be hardware compatible. Anyone feel likes opening his memory stick to check if he/she's more lucky?)

The good news: with the chineese forum pics I could validate my ideas.  See the following pics: the samsung chip is k9f2808u0c - google for that and you'll see the size matches the flash, and it is tsop48

http://photos6.flickr.com/7220607_3ed74e94a9_b.jpg
http://photos6.flickr.com/7220663_87696a44e5_b.jpg

Even better- noticed the empty spot below? You can solder a second tsop48 chip. However this may require additional hardware hacks + kernel changes to activate the 2nd bank.

My suggestion to anyone with good soldering skills and a C3000 : purchase a 128 Mb memory stick and (hopefully) find a 128 Mb nand chip inside. Transplant it to your Zaurus. It will be empty, so you will have to go to the diagnostic menu. Then restore a 128 Mb dump from a C1000 - voila, you know have a super 3000. The same should apply to any zaurus also using TSOP 48 chips.

The big question is - will it work (boot, etc.) ? Good question, so I investigated the boot loader from my 6000.

The bad news: I may or may not do with a tc58100 - the bootloader just doesn't know it. Ie - it may work, but I don't want to take risk (my soldering skills are not that good to risk my zaurus life twice)

http://externe.net/zaurus/flash/nand/parts/6000L/boot.bin

The good news: A Toshiba TC58DVG02AFT or a Samsung K9K1G08U0M are recognised by the bootloader (the default chip is TC58512FT or K9F1208U0M on a 6000, ie a 64 Mb/512MB chip)

For a Sl6000, this would require 1) flashing the rescue kernel with a special kernel that will know the flash is a 128 Mb 2) doing a nandbackup, exploding the nandbackup, increasing its size to 128 Mb 3) doing the above mentionned hack, only with a Toshiba TC58DVG02AFT or a Samsung K9K1G08U0M  4) restoring the hacked nandbackup 5) booting in the rescue kernel to reformat the 2nd partition and install an identical 1st kernel

See http://www.externe.net/zaurus/flash/nandmap.jpg for kernel informations.

All this sounds like a cool hack. Now someone please find me the chips :-) I'm ready to get a Cxxxx just for the hacking purpose :-)

[maslovsky]

http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Dat...00FT-01-3-5.pdf

A Samsung K9D1G08U0M YCB0 could be fine too:
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconduc...uide_010623.pdf

UPDATE - looks like a memory stick could be used as an organ donator:
http://www.gpsriders.net/gpsv_internals.html

I'll rush to my local shop to see how much 128 Mb Memory Sticks costs and see if there're transparent ones so I can check the reference.
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These are nand flash chips, and I believe c860 already has a 128MB one. I think Anton was mentioning 128MB RAM upgrade. Not sure how easy it could be done, thou. If RAM chip is in BGA packing, I think it will require a soldering station to perform such an upgrade. Even if it's TSOP, legs are still very tiny...
-albertr
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Yes, you're right, we're trying to find the following memory chips at reasonable price: 512 Мbit Samsung K4S51153LC in BGA packaging. We have a soldering station and everythign else that's needed.

[guylhem]

Ok - you are interested in *more ram*... I am looking for more flash storage - ram is fine.

I checked in transparent memory sticks and 128 mb usb keys. No luck in finding what I was looking for :-/

[pgas]

hmm this looks like a ram upgrade to me:
http://digit.que.ne.jp/visit/index.cgi?Lin...%c1%fd%c0%df#i7

[Da_Blitz]

Put me down for as much RAM and FLASH as the c300 can take, now who do i pay

[speculatrix]

it's a real shame that the Z uses ball grid array packages (solder balls hidden under chip) rather than qfp/pqfp (pins at edge) for certain things, as it makes upgrading much harder.

now, maybe the right adaptor from this company:
http://www.isipkg.com/adapters.htm
would allow us to solder a socket onto the BGA pads and then fit a PGA or QFP memory device. The snag is, there might not be enough room and make it nearly impossible to reassemble the Z, but it would allow someone to prototype an upgraded Z if they wanted to go into business.

I would be quite willing to pay someone to upgrade my Z with more RAM and flash, but I suspect it'd have to be quite expensive as if you started a company to do this, the risk that you'd have a few dead Z's and would have to buy replacements!

Paul

[jomo]

it's a real shame that the Z uses ball grid array packages (solder balls hidden under chip) rather than qfp/pqfp (pins at edge) for certain things, as it makes upgrading much harder.

now, maybe the right adaptor from this company:
http://www.isipkg.com/adapters.htm
would allow us to solder a socket onto the BGA pads and then fit a PGA or QFP memory device. The snag is, there might not be enough room and make it nearly impossible to reassemble the Z, but it would allow someone to prototype an upgraded Z if they wanted to go into business.

I would be quite willing to pay someone to upgrade my Z with more RAM and flash, but I suspect it'd have to be quite expensive as if you started a company to do this, the risk that you'd have a few dead Z's and would have to buy replacements!

Paul
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Or, you could "order" motherboards from Sharp, if Sharp would at all sell you mobos.  Then, you just transplant the mobo and reflash with an image from the previous mobo.