C3000 Or C1000

[romulus]

I've had a 5600 for a number of years now and it has served me well.  It is time to get a replacement though.

I'm all set to put in an order but have still to make up my mind as to whether to get the C3K or C1K.  I was hoping to get some input as to which you consider the better buy.

I've been all through the forums and have not found anything which would sway me one way or the other.

Price is not a consideration, neither is color. (although that black case is rather nice)

What I would use it for is:  PIM (my life/work revolves around my calendar - if it's not scheduled it does not exist) , videos for on the plane, net access, programming and tinkering for fun, games, ebooks, and as a laptop replacement for when I'm on the road.  ( I despise lugging around my work issue laptop )

So what is best, the extra storage of the 3K or the extra memory in the 1K?

[kahm]

So what is best, the extra storage of the 3K or the extra memory in the 1K?
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They both have 64mb ram. The C1000 has 128mb Flash which it uses for the "Hard Drive", about ~70mb? of which is available.

The C3000 has the 4gb HD, of which ~400mb is set aside for use like the Flash would be in the C1000, of which there is over 300mb available for the OS and programs. The bulk of the drive (~3gb) is available for media storage - movies, music, etc.

If price is no object then run, don't walk, and buy a 3000.

[romulus]

Thx!  I've been making an invalid assumption that the 1K had 128Mb of RAM - double that of the 3K...  Then it's a no brainer and the 3K is the way to go.  Thx for clarifying.  One new c3000 owner on the way.

[rickh]

If price is no object then run, don't walk, and buy a 3000.

I agree.  I also went from a 5600 to a 3000 and am quite happy with it.  I absolutely use the 4 gig drive - I carry a lot of documents (work, personal, ebooks, etc), as well as MP3s to listen to.  And I've replaced the builtin PIM apps with KA/pi-KO/pi, which are much more useful, IMHO.  Plus, I've got a couple of CF microdrives (4gig and 2gigs) that I use to put TV shows and movies on.

I should mention that I still have my 5600 and plan on putting in to good use:  I want to use it as a GPS system for my car.  Yes, the display is a bit small, but the GPS software out there is known to work well with the 5600.

R.
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[kahm]

Thx!  I've been making an invalid assumption that the 1K had 128Mb of RAM - double that of the 3K...  Then it's a no brainer and the 3K is the way to go.  Thx for clarifying.  One new c3000 owner on the way.
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Even better - Cacko3k makes it easy to make a 128mb swap file on the HD with no fear of burning out a flash card!  

The hard drive tends to slow things down a little some times, but it's usefulness when you look at the 3k as a laptop replacement is amazing

[romulus]

And I've replaced the builtin PIM apps with KA/pi-KO/pi, which are much more useful, IMHO. 
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I totally agree - KO/Pi preserves my sanity at work.  I'm running from one meeting to another and without it I would be lost.

[romulus]

Even better - Cacko3k makes it easy to make a 128mb swap file on the HD with no fear of burning out a flash card!  

The hard drive tends to slow things down a little some times, but it's usefulness when you look at the 3k as a laptop replacement is amazing
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Yeah, I've been following your thread on the Cacko testing with great interest.  Looking forward to trying it out for myself.

[jh]

The hard drive tends to slow things down a little some times, but it's usefulness when you look at the 3k as a laptop replacement is amazing
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Do you have any guesses on how much it slows down?  I see you have a few Z's :-)  Any rough comparisons?  Maybe something like application loading time, etc...

I was going to go with the C1000 just because I had convinced myself that I didn't *need* 4gb (not that I *need* a new Zaurus, of course), the battery life of the C1000 is probably better, and the speed of the drive vs. flash.

But yeah, for the original poster, it sounds like the C3000 is the way to go.  4gb for videos for a plane trip, mp3's, etc... would be great.  I just don't use the Z for that.

Thanks!

jason

[kahm]

The hard drive tends to slow things down a little some times, but it's usefulness when you look at the 3k as a laptop replacement is amazing
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Do you have any guesses on how much it slows down?  I see you have a few Z's :-)  Any rough comparisons?  Maybe something like application loading time, etc...

I was going to go with the C1000 just because I had convinced myself that I didn't *need* 4gb (not that I *need* a new Zaurus, of course), the battery life of the C1000 is probably better, and the speed of the drive vs. flash.

But yeah, for the original poster, it sounds like the C3000 is the way to go.  4gb for videos for a plane trip, mp3's, etc... would be great.  I just don't use the Z for that.

Thanks!

jason
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Well, from a simultaneous reboot, the 3000 gets to the "Cacko" loading screen *much* faster. Total boot time is about 10 seconds longer for the 3k than the 860. Opera takes 6sec to load to the blue screen on the 860, 12 on the 3000, on a cold boot. Once you've loaded and unloaded, then try to load it again it takes exactly as long as the 860.

It sounds slower than it feels, though. The only speed-related gripe I have about the 3000 is that it takes a second or two more to turn it on or off, which caught me off guard when I first got it. I really don't notice a slowdown in day to day use, as the only things that would really bother me are the PIM apps, and I fastload them anyway.

[jh]

Well, from a simultaneous reboot, the 3000 gets to the "Cacko" loading screen *much* faster. Total boot time is about 10 seconds longer for the 3k than the 860. Opera takes 6sec to load to the blue screen on the 860, 12 on the 3000, on a cold boot. Once you've loaded and unloaded, then try to load it again it takes exactly as long as the 860.

It sounds slower than it feels, though. The only speed-related gripe I have about the 3000 is that it takes a second or two more to turn it on or off, which caught me off guard when I first got it. I really don't notice a slowdown in day to day use, as the only things that would really bother me are the PIM apps, and I fastload them anyway.
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Yeah, that's a good point.  It's not like I start and stop kopi each time I use it, I leave it running.  I was wondering if watching a 15 fps movie would have a problem with the speed of the drive, but I doubt it.  I can watch those files over NFS and it's fine.

Thanks for the reboots, I appreciate it.  I might actually "need" the C3000 :-)

jason

[KwaiFeh]

I always thought i never needed a PDA... Palms were ugly with crappy 160x160 screens... till Sony decided to offer them with black and white 320x320 screens.  then i bought one.

Then i thought, I don´t really need a color screen, nor mp3 support, nor gorgeus HVGA screen... till the Clié TH55 came out. and i bought one and was happy with it.

Then sony decided to bail out of the PDA market... and I thought, I don´t need another pda, this Clie is good enough.  it more than fits my needs... Then I heard about the Zaurus, but decided not to buy because it was too expensive... till I was in Japan.  

when i saw them, i thought i didn´t need a 4 gb microdrive... till i played with one and say the quasi-infinite potential of it.

In a year or two when 4 GB CF cards come cheap enough i might probably say... "I don´t need to mod my SL-C3k by changing the microdrive with a CF card.... it´s good enough the way it is..."

[Ragnorok]

- I've had a 5500 for years now, and have enjoyed it immeasurably.  If my Winbloze laptop were only as pleasurable to use!  Now it's time for an upgrade.
- I pondered this very question: get a 3000 or a 1000?  The clencher for me was actually the hard drive ... I read *numerous* posts on the web how iPods fail after dropping them, just once, because the hard drive goes south.  That's an aspect I never considered, but it makes sense that a spinning disc, even an itty bitty one, doesn't deal with with large G forces.
- I've only dropped my Z twice in the last three or more years, but it only takes *one* drop to utterly destroy the hard drive.  Solid-state memory doesn't have this drawback.  So while I've no *intention* of dropping the new Z, it stands to reason that if I keep it for years (i still have the hp-71b i got in 1984, which still works as good as new), it has a good *chance* of being dropped.  I just don't like the odds.
- Since it has both SD and CF, I use the SD slot for an essentially permanent memory upgrade on the 5500, and I see no reason not to do the same on the 1000.  SD cards are available in 2GB right now, and larger ones will be available later.  It's a lot simpler to just upgrade if I run out of space, and I'm not locked into a "mere" 4GB down the road, because it boots from that big flash area.  I merely replace the music on it periodically, which is trivially simple ... just drag and drop.  I don't need to nor do I carry any SD cards around except the one that's plugged in.
- It's nifty that they put a standard CF slot inside the 3000, so it would actually be possible to upgrade to a larger HD later, or replace one if it got dropped.  I still prefer full solid-state for portable devices.  (shrug)  I could replace it with the CF like the one guy did, which is a seriously cool idea, but cash is a factor for me, and I simply can't afford to do that.
- So a 1000 it is.  It's on order and should arrive next week (happy smile)...

[omega]

regarding dropping the harddrive... I have a 340 microdrive from way back and it's still alive! I keep it in my bag in a cardreader for now and it has stood up to be transported everywhere.... I wonder are the new ones as resiliant?

[KwaiFeh]

also about dropping the microdrive...  my c3k survived a fall down my concrete staircase (maybe 15-20 steps).  It was inside a PDAir leather case but i really doubt that helped much.  It bounced a few times on the way down.  

I guess maybe my friend was jealous of my new pda, and that was enough reason to let it fall on the staircase? lol

[nilch]

I am just wondering aloud...

If the differentiation between the C1000 and C3000 comes down to the 4 GB microdrive and again there is this doubt wether themicrodrive could survice a drop etc worries, then why not just buy a C1000 (much cheaper) and get an extra portable Hard drive (microdrive based).

Since these devices have a USB host - the whole point is being able to extend the capacity with USB devices - like a USB HDD.
I uderstand that's another device to carry around - but this is for people like me who are in doubt if they need a 4 GB microdrive inside,  maybe/maybe-not kind of.

That's the main reason I upgraded from my C750 - the USB host port - the flexibility to add storage (and devices) when I need it (since I don't forsee needing it all the time) on the C1000.
On the downside, when you are carrying the C1000 and the external portable HDD, you have to worry about dropping it for two devices instead of one - double trouble.