Full Debian Linux On Zaurus Sl-5500 Etc

[Mickeyl]

using jffs2 on CF card is actually slower and will destroy the cards faster. Ext2 without -noatime would be the best choice.

The above statement defies logic. JFFS2 includes wear limiting features, and compression as well  so tell me how on earth it can cause a flash memory card to destroy faster than a file system like ext2 without wear limiting or compression?

Just point me to a link were someone has done a research which shows that jffs2 on a flash memory card (CF or MMC) wears the card faster than ext2?

JFFS2 will be slower since it includes compression, but it is hard to beleive that it will destroy a flash memory card than other filesystems which do not have non wear limiting and compressio.

@weasel:

1.) jffs2 is a filesystem that is dedicated to run on MT devices, that is devices which don't have integrated wear levelling - which means: dumb flash chips.

2.) SD and CF memory cards contain card controllers which implement their own wear levelling.

3.) You can only run jffs2 on anything else than a flash chip by using an experimental mtd block emulation layer. This is for testing jffs2, not for production use.

4.) Journalling file systems introduce extra read/writes, some of them a lot, some of them only a bit. Since write access is what kills your card, it means you will destroy your card sooner if you are using a journalled file system.

Conclusion: Use ext2 without [dir]atime.

[Hagisbasheruk]

Guys (Hagisbasheruk especially) - this is "OZ/Common" NOT PocketWorkstation/Common or Debian/Common - use correct sections.

Hagisbasheruk - you are new in this forum - find some free time, use Search option to find some threads about things which interest you but dont select random section to start asking about things which was discussed many times.
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Ok some admin move this to :
OE Forums > ROMs, Development, and Model Specific Forums > Everything Development > X/Qt
Sorry for posting here ! like i said i haven't used forums much but they seem a good place for infos
Cheers from Hagisbasheruk  
Oh! how about a 2.2Gb or upwards microdrives instead of a cf card?
I'am not conserned about speed but just whether these newer cf drives would work in the zaurus,most say they are IBM compatable clones and well wouldn't this do away with any corruption issues?

[jfv]

The microdrives work fine on the Zaurus. But if you want large permanent storage, it's better to use a large SD card, since you want to the CF card slot free for connectivity.

When I said in my earlier post that the 5500 was small, I actually meant in RAM and processor speed (I should have said underpowered) so the full Debian will be slow.

Sorry, I don't know anything about ham radios. If the apps you need are standard linux apps, they will probably cross-compile. If you need a GUI then you might have to use X/Qt or the O{Z,E}-GPE image.

Felipe

[koen]

Sorry, I don't know anything about ham radios. If the apps you need are standard linux apps, they will probably cross-compile. If you need a GUI then you might have to use X/Qt or the O{Z,E}-GPE image.
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Apparently it's very hard to grasp: OpenZaurus == distro, OpenEmbedded == buildsystem
in short: there are no OE-images. And OpenEmbedded has nothing to do with this forum.

[polito]

Sorry, I don't know anything about ham radios. If the apps you need are standard linux apps, they will probably cross-compile. If you need a GUI then you might have to use X/Qt or the O{Z,E}-GPE image.
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Apparently it's very hard to grasp: OpenZaurus == distro, OpenEmbedded == buildsystem
in short: there are no OE-images. And OpenEmbedded has nothing to do with this forum.
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Hmm... nothing to do with this forum, funny how the title on the entire forum site says OE Forums... and how about the [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=OESF:About]OESF:About[/url] page. Sure looks like it says Open Embedded Software Foundation to me.

Why can't we all just get along? Be mean to your code and your hardware, force it to do what you want. But be nice to people so they actually care about the projects you work on. Why put people off by being condescending?

[koen]

Sorry, I don't know anything about ham radios. If the apps you need are standard linux apps, they will probably cross-compile. If you need a GUI then you might have to use X/Qt or the O{Z,E}-GPE image.
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Apparently it's very hard to grasp: OpenZaurus == distro, OpenEmbedded == buildsystem
in short: there are no OE-images. And OpenEmbedded has nothing to do with this forum.
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Hmm... nothing to do with this forum, funny how the title on the entire forum site says OE Forums... and how about the [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=OESF:About]OESF:About[/url] page. Sure looks like it says Open Embedded Software Foundation to me.

Why can't we all just get along? Be mean to your code and your hardware, force it to do what you want. But be nice to people so they actually care about the projects you work on. Why put people off by being condescending?
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You have just proven my point that offroadgeek stole the name from [a href=\"http://www.openembedded.org]http://www.openembedded.org[/url] which is around since 2003, while this forum was renamed in 2005. So again, OpenEmbedded has nothing to do with this forums. Please check your facts before responding with nonsense. And you wonder why some people sound condescending......

[bsaunder2002]

just to chirp up for my sl-5500

yes I have a 206mhz cpu but so far no ones ported a decent opengles or written any games that need it...

oh yeah, and even though I can run seti @ whereever I'm standing, I'm not going to trust the news about little green aliens until I get a chance at Seven of Nine...

Oh and memory, "most" SL-5500's have 64mb SDRAM just like all of the newer Z's (sharp, why don't you offer one with 128mb - we'll jump on it, by the way with the SL-C3000 and C3100 do you know if the CF card supports DMA?  ie whats the transfer speed, can I swap on it effectively?)

(I said "most" because there are some rumors of people with 32mb SL-5500's)

my dream Z?  
- 128mb SDRAM
- huge battery (gotta talk to that guy in russia)
- host USB
- dual slot CF (or built in microdrive)
- 8gig microdrive(ok I drool over a 4gig but I am dreaming)
- built in 802.11g 108mb
- video out
- sd io 4 bit - but why do I wish for that, if the above are avail my sd card will only be for camera syncing
- built in cell phone quality microphone/earphone or bluetooth
- built in stereo headphone output jack

anyone need anything else?

[lardman]

Oh and memory, "most" SL-5500's have 64mb SDRAM just like all of the newer Z's

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(I said "most" because there are some rumors of people with 32mb SL-5500's)

These 32Mb 5500s quite simply do not exist. There was a developer version which had 32Mb which was called the 5000D.

This confusion mainly arrises from people not understanding Sharp's implementation of the split of the 64Mb of physical RAM into main memory (32Mb) and a RAM-disk (32Mb).


Si

[polito]

Well maybe this forum has nothing to do with OpenEmbedded, but perhaps The OESF name should be Open Embedded-Software Foundation, in which case it isn't necessarily stolen.  As it's all about Open-Source Embedded-Software.. not your precious OpenEmbedded which as of yet has only embedded it's nasty thorny attitude into my left butt-cheek.  

But anway, now we see why Koen isn't nice to people. He's all upset about his name being shamelessly stolen  

Get over it already.   You'd think with so many numbers of developers that open source software could come have come so much further than it has so far. Unfortunately yet again, we see that the developers get into useless squabbles over nothing and instead of keeping proprietary trade secrets like the Big Boys which stifle innovation, they just keep really rotten attitudes which drive everyone away. What a shame.

[offroadgeek]

You have just proven my point that offroadgeek stole the name from http://www.openembedded.org which is around since 2003, while this forum was renamed in 2005. So again, OpenEmbedded has nothing to do with this forums. Please check your facts before responding with nonsense. And you wonder why some people sound condescending......
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Koen - I can't believe I misjudged you so badly.  Here I thought that you were actually a nice guy, and that some people just misunderstood you.  Apparently I was completely wrong.  You are simply an ungreatful, angry person.  And I'm sick and tired of seing your negative posts on these forums.

Just so we're all clear.... the Open Embedded Software Foundation has NO DIRECT TIES to the OpenEmbedded project.  Also, the Open Embedded Software Foundation IS NOT AN EXTENSION of the OpenEmbedded project.  If fact, going forward, I'm beginning to wonder if the OESF will have anything to do with OE at all.

I had no idea that anyone from the OE team felt that I had stolen the Open Embedded name.  When I was brainstorming names with Roy (dz) late last year for this nonprofit (that I have yet to get off the ground) I couldn't think of anything really good or original.  I'm not that creative of a person, and apparently it shows.  I was looking at the Free Software Foundation's site, looking at what they've done with a nonprofit, and that's when I figured that OESF could be a foundation that support any open source embedded device, whether it be the hardware or software side of things, or even projects that support such things (like OE, pdaXrom, etc.).  I obviously knew very well about the OpenEmbedded project, but while the names are similar (not identical), our goals are completely different.

So misguided was I, thinking that the OE team and I had a decent relationship, not too long ago I decided to buy the OE team a C1000, and asked Mickeyl who I should donate it to... he directed me to coredump.  Not long after coredump received his new C1000, he released his hentges rom for the C1000 (as well as support for other models).  I'd like to think that this is partly because I helped out.

I'm not a developer, by any stretch of the imagination.  It took me countless hours to pull together the ZUG site, and I've spent more countless hours running these forums.  I figure, these are things that I can do to support the community.  I make a decent living... enough where I try and support our various project teams with donations of money or hardware.  Keep in mind that I don't own a company... the OESF doesn't make a single penny... I simply work and draw a salary, and enjoy my hobbies... the Zaurus being one of them.

It's funny... it just takes one bad apple.  You are starting to make me wonder why even bother with all of this.  Why am I so actively trying to support the OE project, when a member of the very project team is going to shit on me.

[Hagisbasheruk]

I think these negative type posts are not doing anyone any good !
In fact i have even been looking into other PDA's due to some of the negative comments.
I appreciate the effort that goes into maintaining a forum such as this,especialy on someones free time and goodwill to serve the Zaurus community.Why do people bother posting negatively ,it will never do anything good but the exact opposite and may even steer people away from the Zaurus altogether.
PS. this is aimed at no particular person but at all who post,where ever you post and in whatever other forums elsewhere,try and be more posative and helpfull please,for the benifit of all.

[lardman]

@Offroadgeek:

Koen is not a native English speaker, sometimes he comes across as being a bit rude, I don't think this is necessarily how he should be interpreted (though in some cases I can see why he might be being brusque).

The fact does remain that the Openembedded build system, etc. existed before the forums were renamed. There's no reason why the two shouldn't be able to co-exist, however I have seen a lot of people making comments similar to this:

Hmm... nothing to do with this forum, funny how the title on the entire forum site says OE Forums... and how about the OESF:About page. Sure looks like it says Open Embedded Software Foundation to me.

@polito:

not your precious OpenEmbedded which as of yet has only embedded it's nasty thorny attitude into my left butt-cheek. tongue.gif

Not particularly amusing.

Get over it already. blink.gif You'd think with so many numbers of developers that open source software could come have come so much further than it has so far. Unfortunately yet again, we see that the developers get into useless squabbles over nothing and instead of keeping proprietary trade secrets like the Big Boys which stifle innovation, they just keep really rotten attitudes which drive everyone away. What a shame.

But you started this by stating matter-of-factly that as the forums are called oesf.org, that this *must* be the correct part of the forum to post in. You didn't listen to what people were telling you. I think rotten attitudes tend to have a root cause and it's (in my humble opinion) people who think they're right without justification who cause alot of this grief.

Now that I'm talking, another pet dislike of mine: I've recently seen loads of posts saying things along the lines of "tried OpenZaurus but it wasn't anywhere as good as Cacko/PdaXrom/etc." without giving any indication of why (I'm sure the converse is also true). I find this frustrating as I firsly don't think it's true and is giving a bad name to something I work on, and secondly would like to know why people think this so that changes can be made if needed.

I think the OZ the developers on this forum are helpful and courteous, and don't only help OZ users, but are willing to help out anyone with a problem, no matter what flavour of distro they choose to use.

Back in the old days, if someone made a statement that something was crap/good, they'd back it up with reasons, and if someone else came along and overturned those reasons, they'd be happy to accept it without what appears to me to be a form of entrenched partisan warfare. There's few enough of us as it is, I don't think we need all of this back-biting - I certainly don't, I've got better things to do with my time than sit here composing long rambling speeches...

Regards,


Si

[Hagisbasheruk]

Well spoken lardman !

[craigtyson]

[Apparently it's very hard to grasp: OpenZaurus == distro, OpenEmbedded == buildsystem
in short: there are no OE-images. And OpenEmbedded has nothing to do with this forum.
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I think the OZ the developers on this forum are helpful and courteous, and don't only help OZ users, but are willing to help out anyone with a problem, no matter what flavour of distro they choose to use.

Back in the old days, if someone made a statement that something was crap/good, they'd back it up with reasons, and if someone else came along and overturned those reasons, they'd be happy to accept it without what appears to me to be a form of entrenched partisan warfare. There's few enough of us as it is, I don't think we need all of this back-biting - I certainly don't, I've got better things to do with my time than sit here composing long rambling speeches...

Regards,


Si

Erm guys...........

Can we have a time out here.......

Lots of people put in lots of hours into supporting the Zaurus and friends Im sure we dont need a family fude.

Having run both OZ and Cako roms I can only sit and wonder how many man hours have gone into making them run as well as they do all for little return.  Sites such as OESF and ZUG make the users of these ROMS able to use them and develop ideas of their own.  As the typed word is withour facial expression, body language or inflection its easy to get the wrong end of the stick espesialy when non native speakers use degrees of words with the wrong inflection (you should see my chinese posts for comparison before condeming any non native speaker of any language)

Lets take a deep breath and think before jumping in.  I for one can hold my hand up and say I have frequently put my foot in my mouth when acting / texting before thinking first.

[offroadgeek]

@Offroadgeek:

Koen is not a native English speaker, sometimes he comes across as being a bit rude, I don't think this is necessarily how he should be interpreted (though in some cases I can see why he might be being brusque).

I know full well that Koen is not a native english speaker.  Why do you think I've tried to get people to get off his back in previous posts?

You have just proven my point that offroadgeek stole the name from http://www.openembedded.org

This is the comment that I have a problem with, and I don't think there's any translation issues here.

So I ask... are there others within the OpenEmbedded project team that feel that I "stole the name"?

My point is, that I didn't realize there was such animosity over an issue that seemed to come up kind of randomly.

Would it help if I change the name of the forums from OE Forums to OESF Forums?  Or is the issue the "OE" in OESF?