Sl-c1000/c3100 Rc12 Test

[Laze]

- I just read this entire thread, and while it looks like pdaXRom folks have done a great job with RC11, I'm still getting the feeling there's some instability there for C1k users.  I tried RC10 a while ago and concluded it wasn't stable enough for my tastes.
- Stability is of vital concern to me.  I accept that fact that Winbloze goes down like a two-bit night walker on a regular basis, but I will not tolerate that from my PDA.  Sharp's ROM may not be the most feature laden, but in my experience it has been rock solid stable.  Not as stable as the old Psion line, but pretty darned close, and that's saying something.
- Given this, in the Forum's opinion, is RC11 stable enough to reconsider?

I move the subject - based on the latest test and solutions in this thread i think the current RC12 for C1k/c3100 is very stable - other users feel free to give your oppion.

[omro]

I move the subject - based on the latest test and solutions in this thread i think the current RC12 for C1k/c3100 is very stable - other users feel free to give your oppion.
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My 2 pence worth...

I think RC12 is a really great release. I'd like to see an RC13 where all the tweaks that this thread has uncovered have been included. Some people aren't great at tweaks or that motivated by "install this, then run this scripts and then tweak that, etc." Some people love to faff and play, some people just like to get on with things.

The best way to recommend something is an out of the box fully functional experience and it's getting there :-)

Looking forward to the final release - that's the one that'll hopefully be rock solid.

[Fatty]

Moved by Laze
- First off, I'm not pdaXRom bashing; the idea of a full X-based Linux distro in my pocket is very attractive!

- I just read this entire thread, and while it looks like pdaXRom folks have done a great job with RC11, I'm still getting the feeling there's some instability there for C1k users.  I tried RC10 a while ago and concluded it wasn't stable enough for my tastes.
- Stability is of vital concern to me.  I accept that fact that Winbloze goes down like a two-bit night walker on a regular basis, but I will not tolerate that from my PDA.  Sharp's ROM may not be the most feature laden, but in my experience it has been rock solid stable.  Not as stable as the old Psion line, but pretty darned close, and that's saying something.
- Given this, in the Forum's opinion, is RC11 stable enough to reconsider?

- If people think it's a Bad Thing! ™ to be discussing stability here, feel free to respond in a message and I'll make my determination without impacting the good work the pdaXRom team has done.  As mentioned, I'm not looking to bash anyone.
- If the pdaXRom folks are just put out by it, feel free to delete this post.  I'd rather it be gone than piss people off.
- Thanks for your time...
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My opinion is that every system is evolving - towards stability or feature rich or both. Whether the system is stable enough depends heavily on what services one need, so it is subjective.

RC11, as stated, is a candidate only, not a release. Yet I found the RC10.4 and RC11 perfectly stable for what I'm using for - compiling simple progs, text editing, Internet browsing etc.

If you read the thread carefully, though, you will find the RC12 is under testing. So if I use it, I'll further lower my requirement and do what a tester will do.

[omro]

My opinion is that every system is evolving - towards stability or feature rich or both. Whether the system is stable enough depends heavily on what services one need, so it is subjective.

The great thing is that pdaXrom seems to be evolving very rapidly. :-)

[stac]

I move the subject - based on the latest test and solutions in this thread i think the current RC12 for C1k/c3100 is very stable - other users feel free to give your oppion.
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My 2 pence worth...

I think RC12 is a really great release. I'd like to see an RC13 where all the tweaks that this thread has uncovered have been included. Some people aren't great at tweaks or that motivated by "install this, then run this scripts and then tweak that, etc." Some people love to faff and play, some people just like to get on with things.

The best way to recommend something is an out of the box fully functional experience and it's getting there :-)

Looking forward to the final release - that's the one that'll hopefully be rock solid.
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And, if you don't mind, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring on this... When an RC is declared a basis for a new RC (like moving from RC11 to RC12), it'd be very helpful to have a rollup script/patch that tweaks the RC11 from it's release to the base before RC12 is introduced. Or, is it customary with pdaXrom to consider RC12 the rollup of RC11? It doesn't seem so given the comments in the thread, but I may be mistaken. In any event, it takes a lot of effort and time to read every single post in this thread looking for scripts and patches and workarounds - even a document detailing the scripts and patches and workarounds would be very helpful - like a step-by-step guide to bring RC12 to stability.

Perhaps we could have a 'pinned' thread for each RC that included just the responses with attachments/patches so that someone installing RC12 could go post by post and apply the scripts and patches and workarounds that have been 'approved'...

Seem logical?

TIA,
Stac

[Laze]

Basically just flash each new RC :-) Its way to hard to keep track of etc. - thats why we call them RCs not for 100% stable operation. Secondly it takes me 10 minutes to install all i need when i have flashed so no problems for me ;-)

But yes its hard to keep track because we are making so many new things at once.

[MONVMENTVM]

i have to say that pdaXrom is the best you can give to your pda. since i had rc11 on my c3100 i was so happy with it that i thought that it would be that stupid to get back on sharp rom (even on rc11 are some bugs which are really mindblowing... but the rest of the rom was so great that it compensates this bugs so that they dont bother you really  ...). i also have to add that rc11 was my first experience of pdaxrom. on my 860 i had cacko rom 1.22. now i have rc12 on my c3100 (with this fixes described in this thread) and i havent found anymore bugs till now... and now my pda is just great.

the only thing which is negative is the life of the battery. i think it lasts just about 2 - 3 hours (if it does that much). in sharp rom it lasted for ages... i am not able to tell you how much it lasted but i.e. when i was a week on holiday i first watched a whole movie during the flight. in the bus i listened nearly 1 hour of music (with earphones). during the week i watched another movie and also listened to music with the internal speaker... and i listened a lot. i think i charged the battery twice this week. the second time was the night before the flight back (even the battery wasnt empty... but i thought it would be good to have a full loaded pda during the flight and so on).

anyway... GREAT WORK pdaXrom-TEAM!! Really Great!

[albertr]

It's interesting that your battery doesn't last longer than 3 hours... I have a C1K, and my battery last at least a couple of days, sometime longer. I dont't use wi-fi networking, but do a fair amount of e-books reading (maybe 4 hr a day) as well as writing/compiling some C programs. I.e. I've installed OpenBSD two times yesterday, but my battery still have 53% charge. The differences between your setup and mine are:
- C3.1K vs C1K
- kernel code
I use my own kernel, with tetsu battery calibration patch, but not sure if it would matter. Stock pdaxrom kernel might be using the same patch as well.
-albertr

[Laze]

We are looking into it maybe related to harddisk stuff - that could also explain why the C1K doesn't have problems :-)

[Borealid]

Where can I get the RC12 kernel source?

I've been trying for a few hours to compile a new version of fuse (I know it says that it only supports >=2.4.21, which is one revision newer than the current kernel, but it could still work).  I compiled fuse 2.4 successfully against the stock Sharp kernel for the SL-C3100, but when I go to insert the module it fails, because it can't find the correct kernel version.

Could you please either:
(1) Include or make available fuse >= 2.2
(2) Make the source of the RC12 kernel available and I'll compile fuse against it
or (3) Upgrade PdaXRom to a newer kernel.  Obviously, this is the hardest but most rewarding option.

I really do want encfs support.  Speaking of which, cryptoloops don't appear to be available; losetup claims that -e is an unrecognized option.  Could you please add cryptoloop support in future versions of PdaXRom?

[Borealid]

Ah, never mind, I didn't realize that the full headers were in the compilation tree...

For those of you who are interested, you can just use --with-kernel=/opt/native/arm/3.4.4-xscale-softvfp/armv5tel-cacko-linux/ and it'll compile for the current kernel.  The headers are all there.

I'd still love to see a newer kernel so that I don't have to hack fuse to get it to build, but that'd take significant effort, I know.

[Borealid]

... But the kernel there, while appearing to be version 2.4.20, also produces code that gripes about an incorrect kernel version.

What's going on here?

[MONVMENTVM]

as i said... before i installed pdaxrom the battery lasted much longer in sharp rom. at least 2 times more (if not more).
it really would be nice to watch what takes that much battery. also i dont know if it is harddisk related because also if i do not mount it the battery doesnt hold much longer.
As i said in a post before i think that the zaurus would have enough battery power but it just thinks that it is low so it auto-suspends itself.

i.e. if in sharp rom the battery was empty and you charged it, then you had to boot the zaurus again. if it (seems to) get empty in pdaXrom it gets into suspend. if you charge the battery now and turn on the zaurus it doesnt have to boot up again because it had enough battery power to just get into suspend. this could be a possibility. maybe if we could turn of this auto-suspend when the battery (seems to) get low we could use the zaurus longer.

[stac]

Basically just flash each new RC :-) Its way to hard to keep track of etc. - thats why we call them RCs not for 100% stable operation. Secondly it takes me 10 minutes to install all i need when i have flashed so no problems for me ;-)

But yes its hard to keep track because we are making so many new things at once.
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Of course that is true Laze - the thing is, that I'm running RC11 pretty successfully right now, and if I want to move to RC12, I'd have to flash, reinstall / apps and then walk through a dozen pages of posts here to tweak it all out. I was thinking that if we had a sticky forum where we could move the posts containing patches/fixes/workarounds it'd make the job of tweaking after flashing much less painful. I'd be willing to do the work if you agree that it's something valuable to the community...

Regards,
Stacey

[scheck.r]

After zooming IN and zooming OUT , it loses some icons in the panel/taskbar (I am using ROX Desktop with matchbox on C1000). This zoom feature is pretty handy, really nice.
If I exit X11 and run startx, all icons come back.

Answering to one of my previous questions about mplayer opened from ROX Filer, I think the mplayer shorcut keys do not work because mplayer doesn't have focus as there is no wondow and it is not run from console.