Appears 2b New High Capacity Battery

[Lion Battery]

Hi,
... we're still in the evaluation process. To get fair results, we give
the batteries some charge / discharge cycles and this takes a
few days.
...
Like you all know, we're not offering anything before it passed
our QA. If we're not satisfied, we won't sell a product.

///TRIsoft

Marc Stephan
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Marc,

That is a great policy to abide by. We've been representing Mugen Power online for almost 2 years now and we also did our homework and QA inspections. I'm confident that you'll be pleased with the product.

We'll have our results posted online as soon as the testing is complete. (albertr is one of our testers.)


Mark Fabian  

[me@home]

We'll have our results posted online as soon as the testing is complete. (albertr is one of our testers.)

any news ?

And any one here in Europe to get the accu ? I see you have it on ebay but shipping is expensive and I may have to pay duties...

[loc4me]

I have also got one of Lion's new batteries for the C3000. I have done some testing with it and have found it to be a very good battery. I will start a new topic and post some of my results.

-Mark

[TRIsoft]

Testing completed!

Here are the very new results, directly from our special testing facility :-D

We are proud to announce that the "HLI-C3000" batteries fully comply with
our expectations. The summarized results of our testing are shown below.

This is the way, we tested: We took a HLI-C3000 battery from Mugen Power
that has a capacity of 2000 mAh and gave it two full load and unload cycles.
The same way we made it with an original SHARP EA-BL11 that should have
a capacity of 1800 mAh (We did not measured, if the capacities written to
the batteries were true. Our customers just want to know if the batteries
work like they should do and thats it!). Then we put the batteries into the
SHARP SL-C1000, placed a D-Link DCF-660W WiFi-Card into the CF-slot.
We put the internal clock to "00:00" and startet a batch that makes a ping
to a PC via the wireless LAN. The backlight was set to 100% and no dimming.
After several tests with both batteries, we made the same with the SL-C3100.

Regarding the fact, that the batteries could make the Zaurus work for more
then three very long lasting hours, we can say both competitors are great!

The EA-BL11 and the SL-C1000 made it    3 hours and 20 minutes
The HLI-C3000 and the SL-C1000 made it 3 hours and 25 minutes
The EA-BL11 and the SL-C3100 made it    3 hours and 10 minutes
The HLI-C3000 and the SL-C3100 made it 3 hours and 20 minutes

So the difference is 10 minutes using a SL-C1000 and 5 minutes using a
SL-C3100. Or, in other words, the harddrive in the SL-C3100 has a very
low power consumption and costs you only 5 minutes of the battery power.

Now we are waiting for Mugen Power to give us urgently some missing
documents that are needed to fullfill European (and some other) laws.

Hopefully we answered all of your questions, greetings from Hannover
to whereever you all are as long as you are using a Zaurus :-)

Robert Fischer

[bluedevils]

Let me see if I understand the implication right.  Since you are doing only pings through wan, then the hard drive power consumption we are talking about is probably just idle power.  Still it is good to know hdd does not drain much power at idle.

Thanks for the update and it is good to know it has the trisoft seal of approval.  This would be great for my 760 and 3100.  Any word on a 6000 version

[gr8ful]

Well, it appears that though the new battery has a 11% or so greater capacity, it is not producing a 11% greater performance.  So for me it will come down to which can I get the cheapest since the performance is basically identical.

Thanks Robert (TRIsoft) for testing this and posting to the site.  Much appreciated.

[adf]

6000 battery?  6000 battery?  I'll buy one, if someone makes 'em new.

[me@home]

Testing completed!

Danke sehr ! I hope you'll get all the papers and then the accus so I can order 1 or 2 from you.

[loc4me]

I have some of my testing results for Lion's new battery for the C3000 and C3100. I tested the battery against the stock battery that came with my C3000. First off let me say that my stock battery is not new. It is the original battery that came with the unit and i beleive the unit is about a year old. I bought it used from someone, but it was in "Like new" condition.

The i wish i had a wifi card to test with b/c i knew that would put more strain on the battery than just normal use. Here is how i tested.

I first put the battery through two complete charge discharge cycles before i tested. I turned the screen on lowest brightness and played a playlist of 5 different mp3s on repeat.

For the sharp battery i got around 5 hrs
For the new Lion battery i got around 7 hrs

This is not that accuate b/c did not know how to time it. I just watched the clock. I was listening to it while i was working. If anyone knows how to get an acurate time sort of like Trisoft did above i would appreciate the input.

The overall feel of the battery is very good. If i just use it for every day normal use it last a very long time. I charged it up two days ago and it still says 100% (by the way i am using the C3Kb1 port of cacko rom for C3000 with no overclocking but battery applet installed). I use my Z for a couple hours a day.

One other thing i have noticed with the new battery is it seems to charge faster. I am not sure if this is an illusion but the charging light appears to shut off faster than with the stock battery. i am using the EA-70s charger from my 6000 so i know it is not the charger. I always leave all my Zs on the charger overnight (about 8hrs) so even if the light goes off it says on till morning.

My next test I would like to be running a full length high quality  movie on repeat and test the battery life. If any one has a really high quallity movie that they would like me to test with then let me know so i can do it.

So far this battery appears to be great. I would recomend anyone who is thinking about getting one to do so. You wont be disappointed.

I wish they would make a replacement battery for the SL-6000 and the SL-5500. The 6000 battery life is fine, but it is hard to aquire a battery. The SL-5500 battery life sucks and is in dire need of a higher capacity battery. Hopefully we will see once soon.

Thanks
-Mark

[albertr]

I've done some testing with Mugen Power HLI-C3000 battery on Sharp SL-C1000 running pdaXrom. The test scenario was an attempt to simulate real-life web browsing on the Zaurus using Mozilla Firefox over wireless connection. The html page with images (total document size = 342KB) was set up to be automatically reloaded by the browser every 10 seconds (caching was disabled).

Auto-suspending on inactivity and screen dimming were disabled (`xset dpms 0`), backlight was set to intermediate level (`setfl 3`), no over/under-clocking. On every reload, rendering of the test page in Mozilla Firefox took approx. 5 seconds with nearly 100% CPU load, then another 5 seconds C1000 was almost idle waiting for next reload cycle. While 10 seconds might look like a too short interval, I still think that it would represent the scenario reasonably close to real web browsing, i.e. loading the CPU half of the time with spikes during page rendering, 342KB*6= 2MB/min average download speed over wi-fi connection. The wireless card used was Symbol Spectrum24 CF card (hermes/orinoco/spectrum_cs drivers).

Two batteries were tested under the same conditions - first the battery was fully discharged, then fully charged by the Zaurus (until charging light came off), then test was started and time was measured until the Zaurus went into suspend on low battery level (5%). Sharp EA-70 power adapter was used for charging. All test were performed three times, average numbers are given as final results.

The following batteries were tested:

1. Mugen Power HLI-C3000 (kindly provided by www.lionbattery.com). It's a new battery, but before testing it was put through six full charge/discharge cycles).

2. Sharp EA-BL11 which originally came with SL-C1000 and was used for appox. eight months.

Here's the results I got (HR:MIN):

HLI-C3000:    3:24
EA-BL11:        3:31

Now, I don't know why BL11 fired up slightly better in my tests, since for two previous posters HLI-C3000 seemed to show longer life than the Sharp battery. Anyway, the difference is not that significant, IMHO.

-albertr

[lardman]

I wonder what would happen if the batteries were allowed to continue until they completely discharge?

The other issue is that the battery percentage business is coded into the kernel so it may well be operating on an incorrect voltage-percentage curve.

What you'd need is the full discharge curve of the battery from the manuf.


Si

[albertr]

AFAIK, the kernel driver has a battery calibration data which indeed were tweaked for a specific Sharp battery, but changing that would require kernel recompilation. I'm not sure, but maybe there's something avaibale in the maintenance menu that could be changed?
-albertr

[maslovsky]

AFAIK, the kernel driver has a battery calibration data which indeed were tweaked for a specific Sharp battery, but changing that would require kernel recompilation. I'm not sure, but maybe there's something avaibale in the maintenance menu that could be changed?
-albertr
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The ony parameter I saw in the maintanence menu was the number indicating full battery charge. You save current number from your fully charged battery to the flash.  I'm not sure if the kernel respects or uses this number in anyway. From what I saw, all the numbers are hard-coded in the kernel battery driver source code...

To tweak the kernel to a different battery one would need to run a full battery discharge cycle saving the numbers every few minute or so form /proc/driver/battery/sharpsl_main_battery_voltage (under Cacko kernel at least) and then use these numbers to build the discharge curve and update battery driver to use it.

[gr8ful]

Robert (TRIsoft) & Mark (Lion Battery),

Do either of you have pricing and availability information on the new battery?  My battery is better than 2 years old and definitely needs to be replaced (actually will be a spare).  Since the performance is nearly identical to the EA-BL11 it comes down to which can I get cheaper.

Thanks

[me@home]

Mark (Lion Battery)

thx for fast shipping to Austria, I bought this 2000mAh on ebay.
Trisoft nor Pulster has the battery listed so I guess better do it with Mark :-)

I'll let you know in a few weeks how long it's working on my C1K.