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minis2003

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« on: October 22, 2005, 03:12:27 am »
does anyone know how to install programs on the hard drive instead of the ram?
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2005, 10:29:03 pm »
You mean it doesn't ask you where you want to install them ?

 On both my 5500 and my current C-1000 if you are installing ipks it always asks where you want to install them via a little pop-up window (assuming you have media available other than local ram/flash...I usually set mine up with an SD card that is nigh permanently mounted and everything get's installed on that).  True, certain programs REQUIRE that they be installed in one place or the other, but it STILL usually asks you, and assumes you know what you're doing...

 I'm amazed your unit is not doing this.  Do you have a C-3000 or a C-3100 ?
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2005, 11:26:18 pm »
Perhaps he already tried that, and merely can't find the files on the hard drive whilst searching. Never fear, they're there! Somewhere. I'm gibbering tired right now so I can't recall how it's all set up, but if you told it to install to the hard drive (the default option, I should add), then it's there. You just won't be able to see it when you're connecting it the Zaurus to the computer.

Or, if you never get the option, then just reflash it and try again. (Presumably converting it to English beforehand)
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2005, 11:58:05 pm »
There is no such option unfortunately. The qinstaller only lets you install to main memory (which is either the internal flash on a C1000/C3100 or /hdd2 on a C3000). If you have SD and/or CF card(s) inserted then you get the option to install to those locations as well, but there is no option to install to /hdd3 which is the main data section of the internal microdrive (harddisk) and where all the space is
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2005, 01:19:21 am »
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does anyone know how to install programs on the hard drive instead of the ram?
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The ipkg command line tool has a -d option. So you could use ipkg -d /hdd3 ...

The problems here might be that the zaurus has to find these programs and that hdd3 usually is formatted as vfat (i.e. no links).

Alternatively, you should be able to symlink a directory from an area where you can install programs to to /hdd3.

(I personally ended up with buying a 1gb sd card which solves the problem too. :-)
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2005, 01:37:16 am »
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There is no such option unfortunately. The qinstaller only lets you install to main memory (which is either the internal flash on a C1000/C3100 or /hdd2 on a C3000). If you have SD and/or CF card(s) inserted then you get the option to install to those locations as well, but there is no option to install to /hdd3 which is the main data section of the internal microdrive (harddisk) and where all the space is
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i tried to install some programs to my SD card but i get a message saying the program must be installed in main memory.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2005, 02:07:10 am »
Ah, Meanie...so useful...so knowledgeable...  

 As for not being able to install to the internal microdrive,

       Wha...?    


 What's the point of having an internal hdd then?  Yeah it's nice for movies and MP3's, but...dude...that's messed up.

 Might it be possible to reformat and remount the internal harddrive to be  /hdd2 ?  Basicaly FOOL the installer into using it ?  I'm thinking not (and if it was it would probably require a custom ROM of some type I should think), but it's just a guess...
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2005, 06:19:44 am »
 ko  i put in a 1g SD card and tried to install some packages there so save in main memory but when i installed firefox it gives me

this package is abailable only for main memory.

yes, i tried other packages and they all say that
what am i doing wrong???  
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2005, 11:34:12 am »
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ko  i put in a 1g SD card and tried to install some packages there so save in main memory but when i installed firefox it gives me

this package is abailable only for main memory.

yes, i tried other packages and they all say that
what am i doing wrong???  
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Its probably because your SD is formatted as FAT and the package you are trying to install has symbolic links which FAT does not support.
You might have better luck with an ext2 or ext3 formatted SD.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2005, 03:14:31 am »
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Its probably because your SD is formatted as FAT and the package you are trying to install has symbolic links which FAT does not support.
You might have better luck with an ext2 or ext3 formatted SD.
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I'll also try. Installation of gcc and perl also failed... But I was unsure about how to format and mount those expansion cards in the Z....

@Meanie: In your signature you are writing about a 4G card you use... I always heard that there exists a 1G limit for SD/CF cards... What have you done to make this huge card work?

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2005, 11:12:10 am »
Yes, in many ways the hard drive support on the Zaurus is pretty half-assed. You'd think an internal microdrive would be better in *some* way than a microdrive in the CF slot, but it isn't, really. You can't install programs on it and you are forced to erase the internal drive if you do a factory reset.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2005, 11:35:30 am »
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@Meanie: In your signature you are writing about a 4G card you use... I always heard that there exists a 1G limit for SD/CF cards... What have you done to make this huge card work?
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The 1G limit applies only to SD cards, not CF cards.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2005, 02:53:53 pm »
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The 1G limit applies only to SD cards, not CF cards.
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Cool. THx. Even though I do only have a 1G Transcend card - not working properly:-(. But birthday is coming. Christmas gift was the C1K.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2005, 05:19:43 am »
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The 1G limit applies only to SD cards, not CF cards.
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Cool. THx. Even though I do only have a 1G Transcend card - not working properly:-(. But birthday is coming. Christmas gift was the C1K.

Good N8!

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well, I wrote a script called xipk which allows you to install programs to /hdd3
I ran out of space on the internal flash so I created a loopback ext3 filesystem of 512MB on hdd3 (so I could leave hdd3 as fat) and use xipk to install apps there. xipk is part og my ipktools 0.3.3 package
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