Differences Between Hentges And Oz/opie ?

[miloo]

I am new in Zaurus world and just got a C1000. It's nice :-) but I have some questions. I installed a cacko ROM and am happy with it though I would switch to opensource ROMS. I would want to try OZ/Opie, or Hentges. Is it functional enough (suspend, access to SD/CF, etc..) ?
What is the difference between the both ROMS ? Is it possible to use opie apps with this ROM (Hentges) ?
In case I would install Hentges ROM, would it be possible to keep data if I later switch to OZ/Opie ?
Is there a process to "upgrade" a Hentges ROM or a OZ/Opie ROM, like a "apt-get dist upgrade" thing in debian systems (well even it's a little more complex that would be ok ;-) ) ?
Sorry if my questions are stupid, but I am a little bit lost in all those ROMS etc...

Eric

Recent SL-C1000 owner :-)

[CoreDump]

I am new in Zaurus world and just got a C1000. It's nice :-) but I have some questions. I installed a cacko ROM and am happy with it though I would switch to opensource ROMS. I would want to try OZ/Opie, or Hentges. Is it functional enough (suspend, access to SD/CF, etc..) ?

Hentges ROM's are based on OZ 3.5.4 so yes, access to SD / CF / Network is working just fine.

What is the difference between the both ROMS ? Is it possible to use opie apps with this ROM (Hentges) ?

Hentges ships with the latest Opie pre-installed

In case I would install Hentges ROM, would it be possible to keep data if I later switch to OZ/Opie ?

Of course.

Is there a process to "upgrade" a Hentges ROM or a OZ/Opie ROM, like a "apt-get dist upgrade" thing in debian systems (well even it's a little more complex that would be ok ;-) ) ?

No such thing, sorry. You'll have to reflash your device to install Hentges.

Sorry if my questions are stupid, but I am a little bit lost in all those ROMS etc...

There are no stupid questions  


Anyway, if you are interested, you may want to read the CardFS HowTo and the CardFS Feature List

[miloo]

Well    thank you for your kind reply ... I think I'm going to test hentges ROM now . What would you advice for the C1000 ? T3 version from july 05 or the latest version you presented just today ?

Oh ! and reflashing a newer version would keep personal data ok I guess ... ?

[CoreDump]

Well    thank you for your kind reply ... I think I'm going to test hentges ROM now . What would you advice for the C1000 ? T3 version from july 05 or the latest version you presented just today ?

I'd use T1-RC1 from http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/ as the T3 release is quite dated by now. However, there's no feed, yet. So if you want to install more apps than those provided, you'll have to use T3 for now.

Oh ! and reflashing a newer version would keep personal data ok I guess ... ?
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Personal data should be on /home/root which is not altered during the installation process.

[miloo]

Do you mean that it is not possible for example, to add ipkg from oz3.5.3/feed even manually, and/or with compat. libraries or something else) ?

[CoreDump]

Do you mean that it is not possible for example, to add ipkg from oz3.5.3/feed even manually, and/or with compat. libraries or something else) ?
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Well, nobody can say for sure if 3.5.3 apps run on 3.5.4. Library versions and or API's may have changed due to updated packages. Or not.

I'd say it would be worth a try.

[sfgreg2006]

Hi
 running the sl-5600 (poodle), I'm assuming to use one of the collie kernels and it should work with this. If so, which of the kernels should be used?

Thanks./

[lardman]

I'm assuming to use one of the collie kernels and it should work with this. If so, which of the kernels should be used?

No. Collie kernels are for the collie machines. You definitely need a poodle kernel.

CoreDump...?


Si

[sfgreg2006]

http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/Collie/kernels/

Hi,
 Just being specific, thought I read where it was recommended for Hentges roms to use the latest for testing. I saw this directory, but there were Collie but no poodle.

Questions:

1. Can I use the collie kernels for the Sl-5600? It mentions to use the latest version for testing as the version available is from July 2005?

2. What are the differneces between zImage-collie-24,32,32,40,48,58,64? I see a number of kernel images for the collie and would like to understand what the differences are? If not applicable for the poodle, its more of an understanding point.

3. Are these Hentges roms pretty much the OZ ones, with some tweaks and extra applications installed? I haven't heard back regarding the ga of 3.5.4 and I am assuming that beta testing is closed out at this point for that.

Thank you



From changelog:

Please Note: This release still ships with Kernel 2.4 as 2.6 is not yet ready for a stable release.

XX-JAN-06 Test 1: public release

Poodle

    * No changes, yet

[CoreDump]

http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/Collie/kernels/

Hi,
 Just being specific, thought I read where it was recommended for Hentges roms to use the latest for testing. I saw this directory, but there were Collie but no poodle.

Quite correct. As I do not own a Poodle I had to look for some brave soul to try the ROM prior to uploading it for the public. The next RC ships w/ Poodle.

Questions:

1. Can I use the collie kernels for the Sl-5600? It mentions to use the latest version for testing as the version available is from July 2005?

Nope, Collie kernels do not work on Poodle.

2. What are the differneces between zImage-collie-24,32,32,40,48,58,64? I see a number of kernel images for the collie and would like to understand what the differences are? If not applicable for the poodle, its more of an understanding point.

Collie only has 16Mb of onboard ROM and 64Mb of RAM. Using a different kernel one can split the RAM into one part RAM and one part RAM-Disk used for storage.
A 64-0 kernel results in 64Mb of RAM and 0Mb of RAM storage. A 32-32 image results in only 32Mb of RAM and a 32Mb RAM disk for storage.

3. Are these Hentges roms pretty much the OZ ones, with some tweaks and extra applications installed?

Correct.

I haven't heard back regarding the ga of 3.5.4 and I am assuming that beta testing is closed out at this point for that.

Thank you

There's a thread at openzaurus.org where one can apply for the test OZ images. There's no open "Beta" at this time.

From changelog:

Please Note: This release still ships with Kernel 2.4 as 2.6 is not yet ready for a stable release.

XX-JAN-06 Test 1: public release

Poodle

    * No changes, yet
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The latest changelog, even for yet unreleased images, can be found at [a href=\"http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=27]http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=27[/url]

[sfgreg2006]

Hi
 Thanks for the great info CoreDump. I eagerly await the new changes for the Poodle with the Hentges rom. In the meantime, I'll try the one from july.
 
 I did put respond to the OZ release page for getting a copy of the new release, but I never get an email with the links for download for it. I waill wait until it becomes available.

Thank you...

[CoreDump]

Hi
 Thanks for the great info CoreDump. I eagerly await the new changes for the Poodle with the Hentges rom. In the meantime, I'll try the one from july.
 
 I did put respond to the OZ release page for getting a copy of the new release, but I never get an email with the links for download for it. I waill wait until it becomes available.

Thank you...
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Check your PMs.

[sfgreg2006]

Hi
 For the SL-5600, tested out Hentges rom. Still having problems with the on/off button, when pressing it, the display stays on (does not shut off), unless you do the battery trick. You also can't press on the display, it doesn't accept anything.
A second issue I found is that the time is off, and when you go to change the time, it doesn't allow you to do so, you get an hourglass temporarily then it disappears.

 Earlier flavors caused errors when the cf card was still inserted, as when you booted it wouldn't allow you to enter anything, and the boot stopped.

 I checked flashiing one of the opie roms to verify that the above were not caused by a hardware malfunction on my sl-5600 but the on/off , suspend etc worked fine there. Trouble is that distro didn't have a browser installed by default, laughs.

 I understand its hard to test without actually havign the sl-5600. Has anyone else with a sl-5600 tested out the new rom, and had similar issues ? I'd also be interested in trying out the actual OZ but didn't get a copy of that as of yet.
Please let me know if you have seen the problems above?

Thanks...

[CoreDump]

That's exactly my problem: Not  having access to such a device.

[grog]

For the SL-5600, tested out Hentges rom. Still having problems with the on/off button, when pressing it, the display stays on (does not shut off), unless you do the battery trick. You also can't press on the display, it doesn't accept anything.
A second issue I found is that the time is off, and when you go to change the time, it doesn't allow you to do so, you get an hourglass temporarily then it disappears.
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I wasn't able to install hentges at all (my Z would freeze), but with the last test release of OZ, I've experienced the same problems as you. I've discovered that by shutting down apmd (either run the /etc/init.d/apmd script, or just uninstall it), I can suspend fine using the cancel button & it comes back on fine. Of course, it won't wake up on alarm, which is not good.