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newkirk

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« on: February 15, 2004, 06:41:14 pm »
I\'m working up to buying an 860 this week, and hope for some information from veterans.  Personally, I don\'t like posts that present several largely-unrelated questions, like this one does, but I couldn\'t see starting 5-6 new threads when most of these questions have simple answers.

The ergonomic question - With the CF slot on the right side under the keyboard,  does anyone have any problems holding the unit for thumb-typing with a WiFi card sticking out??

On one vendor\'s web site, it indicated that the 860 has a built-in speaker.  Is this true?  My impression was that it was mute as a 5500.  If it does have a speaker (but no mic) then does the speaker cut off when a microphone is plugged in?  (I\'ve been enjoying writing my own xhtml launch pages for my admin job on my 5600 and using the voice control in IBM\'s Opera7 release )

All the pictures I\'ve seen I can\'t recall seeing the headphone/microphone jack.  I presume it\'s next to the CF slot, since I can\'t locate a picture of that end of the unit?    

Is there an internal battery to charge, or can I just put a fully charged battery from my 5600 in the 860 the instant the wrapping is off and power up?

The first thing I intend to do after powerup is NAND backup.  I\'ve gathered from other threads that this requires CF, not SD.  (I\'ve been spoiled by the 5600 backing up to SD I guess)  However, nobody explicitly mentions whether they\'ve successfully used a microdrive for this.  I have 128mb Viking CF flash, 384mb IBM CF microdrive...  (and 256mb lexar SD)

Anyone with direct experience of battery life with 1700mah battery, 3/4 brightness and Socket WiFi card?  I\'ll be using this for handheld admin interface to an ISP where I work, and want to gauge my spare battery/charger needs.  (BTW - also interested in battery life with 950mah battery, as I have two of them handy and would prefer the thinness)

Thanks for info and advice.

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2004, 07:19:59 pm »
CF slot: This is definitely a problem.  It makes it harder to reach the keyboard to properly thumb-type.  I consider this to be the one big design flaw with this model line.  I end up gripping the edge of the card with the tips of my fingers so I can extend my thumb fully over the KB.  I\'m getting used to it, so I guess it is something that you can work with.  Maybe someday I\'ll get used to it enough that I won\'t even give it a thought anymore.  But, as for now, everytime I use it I find myself cursing Sharp for not locating elsewhere.  (Note that I have fairly small hands; it\'s probably not as bad for someone with big hands.)  I\'m not sure that this should be a deal killer though.  You\'ll have to weigh it against your own needs.

Speaker: Yes, there is a little speaker.  It\'s good for sound effects and alarms but you\'ll probably not enjoy listening to music on it.  I haven\'t tried using the headphone jack yet so I don\'t know if it mutes the speaker.

Headphone Jack: Next to the CF slot.

Battery: You should be able to just slap your 5600 battery in and go.  When I got mine, my battery already had some charge in it and I was able to turn it on right away and play for a little while.

NAND Backup to SD: I\'m not sure.  I know I\'ve read about this elsewhere (search the forum) but I didn\'t really pay attention since it wasn\'t an issue for me (I have a CF).

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2004, 07:30:50 pm »
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NAND Backup to SD:

Works fine, as long as you have over 128mb free.

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CF slot on the side

Doesn\'t bother me too much.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 03:12:58 am »
Speaker - under SD slot, cuts out when headphone installed in jack (which is next to CF card) not sure about mic only (never tried it) but also cuts out for mic/earphone combo.

Battery - no internal battery, pull the battery and it powers off, uses flash storage so no lose of data when battery pulled.

NAND - you can back up to SD but must pull CF card, if you have CF card in and attempt to restore from SD you will get a \"File not found\" error. NAND backup is over 134MB so 128MB card is no use - Do not use microdrive for NAND restore it will almost always fail!

Voice control works with Opera 7 for 5600, just have to reset the activation button to space or something else usefull.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2004, 03:15:27 am »
Speaker - under SD slot, cuts out when headphone installed in jack (which is next to CF card) not sure about mic only (never tried it) but also cuts out for mic/earphone combo.

Battery - no internal battery, pull the battery and it powers off, uses flash storage so no lose of data when battery pulled.

NAND - you can back up to SD but must pull CF card, if you have CF card in and attempt to restore from SD you will get a \"File not found\" error. NAND backup is over 134MB so 128MB card is no use - Do not use microdrive for NAND restore it will almost always fail!

Voice control works with Opera 7 for 5600, just have to reset the activation button to space or something else usefull.

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2004, 05:06:16 am »
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Speaker - under SD slot, cuts out when headphone installed in jack (which is next to CF card) not sure about mic only (never tried it) but also cuts out for mic/earphone combo.
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It seems you have found a mic/earphone combination that works with the combined jack on the C models. Where did you find that?
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2004, 06:04:03 am »
NAND Backup to SD:
Works fine, as long as you have over 128mb free.

Works fine....with some SD cards. I didn\'t manage to nand restore with my Sandisk ULTRA II card (read error).
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2004, 07:08:52 am »
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It seems you have found a mic/earphone combination that works with the combined jack on the C models. Where did you find that?

One of the guys at work has the Japanese equivalent to the 5500, he has the standard sharp mic/earphone combo -I tried it out on my C760 - works well, but speaking into the left ear of a standard stereo haedset also works too  

I\'ve heard that using a mobile phone ear/mic set works too although I haven\'t tried it and you need an adapter plug.

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2004, 07:11:15 am »
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NAND Backup to SD:
Works fine, as long as you have over 128mb free.

Works fine....with some SD cards. I didn\'t manage to nand restore with my Sandisk ULTRA II card (read error).

If you\'ve been using the card for a while, try formatting it (use full format not quick option if doing from windows) before copying the NAND to it. I\'ve had problems with cards that reformatting fixed - probably fragmented file systems on the card.

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2004, 10:54:41 am »
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One of the guys at work has the Japanese equivalent to the 5500, he has the standard sharp mic/earphone combo
I see - Sharp produces it. I´ve got to find a dealer who´s got that.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2004, 04:06:37 pm »
Thanks everyone.  It\'s just about as I figured with the wifi and speaker/headphone.  

SD backup is good news, especially in light of the problem with microdrives  Stubear mentioned.  

I placed my order last night with Brett at Conics.net. (Very helpful and friendly, and responsive - Thanks Brett![img]http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif\" border=\"0\" class=\"linked-image\" /])

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2004, 12:40:47 am »
http://www.foxpop.co.uk/Sharp/zaurus_02.htm

Some nice photos of the C750 to look at while you wait.  Shows the wifi card, mic port, nice close up of the keyboard.  Just picture the cover silver!
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