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« on: February 16, 2004, 01:51:31 pm »
I would like to get a new zaurus, but I\'m not sure what to get: a 5500 or 5600.
I like the idea of using openzaurus, I\'m pretty good at linux hacking too.
I want to use wireless internet and port some of my linux code over.

I also have a coule of questions:
1. Can I play mp3 files from compact flash or an SD card?
2. How big of an SD card will work in the zaurus? Will 256 MB work?
3. Can I play MPEG1 videos from compact flash or SD?
4. Does Mame work well on the zaurus?

thanks,
ac

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2004, 02:20:06 pm »
I\'ve got a 5500.  Haven\'t used a 5600, but here\'s the basic rundown of differences that I\'m aware of:
Memory: 5500 has 64 meg ram, 16 meg flash.  The 64 meg ram is split 50/50 between usable ram, and a ramdisk to install applications in.  The 16meg flash is read only, and holds the base system programs.  However, you can load in a kernel that has a differenet split, so that you have say, 64 meg ram and no ramdisk, and use your SD card in the place of the ramdisk.  This way you won\'t lose all your data upon a hard reset.  (Look for rom images that specify \"/home on SD configuration\")  This will require that you tie up your SD slot for this purpose, so get the bigges SD you can find.
The 5600 in contrast has 32meg ram no ramdisk, and 64meg flash.  Part of the flash is normally mounted read-only, the other part is read-write and is used like the ramdisk on the 5500.  Of course, you don\'t lose any data upon a hard reset

CPU: 5500 has 200mhz Strongarm, 5600 has a 400mhz Xscale (pxa250).  You might luck out and get a 5600 with a pxa255.  The pxa250 has a bug in it, which caused Sharp to have to turn off half the cache as a workaround.  This causes performance to be about that of the 5500.  There is an alternate kernel you can install that turns off this workaround, and people that have tried it have had no problems, just a significant speedup.  My guess is this bug only crops up rarely.
For your other questions:
1) MP3 files: Yes, you can play them off either the the SD or CF cards.
2) I\'ve got a 256meg Lexar SD card, works great.  Be careful of the brand SD cards you get, some will give you problems if you use it with one of the /home on SD roms.  The problem is that some SD cards don\'t come out of suspend properly, and have to be remounted (PNY is one brand I know of that does this).  Some other brands have trouble if you write a lot of data to them at once, esp. with an ext2 filesystem on them (Sandisk cards, esp. older ones, have this problem).  I haven\'t heard anyone complain about Lexar cards yet, and other brands such as PNY would be fine as long as you don\'t run them as a /home replacement.
3) Video files would be best played off a CF card, as it\'s faster than SD.  Also, you may have better luck with different codecs, that compress better.
4) I\'ve got MaxMame running, it works great on older game roms that were originally for a 1 - 4 mhz cpu, such as Frogger, dig-dug, pacman, donkeykong, etc.  Also great for games that are portrate-mode.

As to porting other Linux code over to it, keep in mind that if the app wasn\'t written for KDE, then you\'ll have to do a bit of work (the Zaurus uses qtopia / qt-embedded), or you\'ll need to load up an X11 installation (one method is to use vncserver along with a vncviewer for qtopia).  Console apps will port fine.  Also, SDL apps should port easy, as there is an SDL library implimentation available for the Z.

So, in summary, the 5600 has a faster cpu, which may or may not make a difference on most applications (unless you load up a \"special\" kernel, and/or luck out and get one with a pxa255 cpu).  The 5500 has more ram, but in it\'s default configuration you don\'t see the extra memory, as it\'s used for a ramdisk.  And the 5600 as better power management and a bigger battery.

Hope this helps...

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2004, 06:27:06 pm »
derek,
Thanks for the info! That helps alot..
In general, are apps that I download or buy compatible between the 5500 and 5600?

thanks,
ac

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 07:54:28 pm »
You will find that more apps run on the 5500 than the 5600.  I\'m not a developer so I can\'t say this for sure, but I think the pxa-250 bug has kept allot of developers away from the 5600.  Your basic apps will run on both... but there are roms (openzaurus) that are not stable on the 5600.  There is a problem with SDL and the 5600, so anything that requires SDL may be tricky to use.

I\'m still very happy with my 5600.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2004, 09:45:08 pm »
One other thing, the 5500 ships with Sharp rom 2.38, which Linux 2.4.6 kernel.  The 5600 has version 2.4.18.  However, Sharp has released rom version 3.1, which has kernel version 2.4.18, and mostly resembles the 5600 rom.  Therefore, most of the incompatibilities between the 5500 and 5600 are starting to disapear, as people are updating their apps to work with the 5500 3.1 rom image.  The only other incompatibilities you\'ll find are ones that have to do with hardware (i.e., drivers).  Of course, as I mentioned earlier, I only have the 5500, so I reserver the right to be wrong :-)

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2004, 10:16:43 pm »
The 5600 has a built in microphone and the 5500 does not.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2004, 04:22:46 pm »
I haven\'t actually used a 5600 but from what I\'ve read, the battery life is a lot better.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2004, 09:45:22 pm »
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I would like to get a new zaurus, but I\'m not sure what to get: a 5500 or 5600.  
I like the idea of using openzaurus, I\'m pretty good at linux hacking too.
I want to use wireless internet and port some of my linux code over.

Just giving my take as a 5600 user - I want to use openzaurus as well, but as I have a 5600, I can\'t for the moment. There are many many applications I want to run, but can\'t as they have been developed for the 5500 and now for the 7xx series. It seems like the developers are missing out the 5600. I don\'t know the exact details of the differences between 5500 and 5600, but perhaps they are big enough that it requires serious work to repurpose each application.

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I also have a coule of questions:
1. Can I play mp3 files from compact flash or an SD card?
2. How big of an SD card will work in the zaurus? Will 256 MB work?
3. Can I play MPEG1 videos from compact flash or SD?
4. Does Mame work well on the zaurus?
1. Yes.
2. 256 SD card is working in my 5600. WRT the comment above, there are now fast access SD cards coming out, so I don\'t think the speed issue is a problem anymore. CF are cheaper cards per MB, but if you\'ve got eg a wireless card plugged into the CF slot, you\'ll probably want to look at SD.
3. Yes
4. I couldn\'t get it to work on the 5600.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2004, 03:20:20 am »
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Just giving my take as a 5600 user - I want to use openzaurus as well, but as I have a 5600, I can\'t for the moment. There are many many applications I want to run, but can\'t as they have been developed for the 5500 and now for the 7xx series. It seems like the developers are missing out the 5600. I don\'t know the exact details of the differences between 5500 and 5600, but perhaps they are big enough that it requires serious work to repurpose each application.

Any examples? I have both a 5500 and a 5600 and I have virtually no apps that work on the 5500 and not the 5600. The only one I can think of is the IrDA applet because the IR device changed slightly. Apart from minor things like that, the latest 5500 ROM is almost identical to the 5600 ROM. Any app that does not rely on a particular hardware feature should work on both the 5500 and 5600.

BTW, there have been numerous other postings on these boards listing comparisons of the 5500 and 5600.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2004, 05:54:35 pm »
Found this thread and wanted to say thanks for the info.  I did own the 5500 but sold for a reason that seems really stupid now looking back.  Though I loved it so much I am looking to get a 5600 when I get my tax money back.

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2004, 07:56:03 pm »
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Just giving my take as a 5600 user - I want to use openzaurus as well, but as I have a 5600, I can\'t for the moment. There are many many applications I want to run, but can\'t as they have been developed for the 5500 and now for the 7xx series.

Any examples? I have both a 5500 and a 5600 and I have virtually no apps that work on the 5500 and not the 5600.

Sorry, been away for a bit. OK well there\'s
    Gaim,
      Wellenreiter,
      The Rotation app
      zEthereal
      battery applet
      Zaurus Doom (just for giggles)
      scummVM
      the front end to nmap (although commandline is fine)
      OpenZaurus ROM
      I also had abortive attempts to install sitescooper, perl, and jpluck while I was trying to get a website snarfer set up on my Zaurus. I tried to set up a cross compiler to install Treepad to see if I could get that to work with no luck. Same story with airsnort.

      OK these last few were a bit left-field, so I don\'t really count those, but my general experience has been one of frustration: install an app, spend three or four hours finding missing libraries, symlinking and cursing, and then give up.

      Well that\'s all a bit negative. What I have been able to do is install Opie reader, kismet and Froot, which is something at least. And I\'m sure the other ones will become possible once the OpenZaurus team come up with a useable ROM for the 5600. Until then, I\'m waiting with baited breath ...

      hkp

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2004, 03:22:09 am »
I think you might find that your problems to do with those apps aren\'t to do with the 5600 (with Sharp ROM) specifically. I have Gaim, Doom, Rotation app, nmap front end all working fine on my 5600. I only needed to do something manual for Gaim for libpng, but that\'s the same on the 5500.

There has been a lot of fragmentation with all these different ROMs knocking about. Choice is good, but so is standardisation.
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2004, 03:54:28 am »
Interesting. In that case I\'m wondering if I should do a reformat and a fresh install of the Sharp rom. Or even <gasp> the 3.3.6 pre release of OpenZaurus.

Sounds like something that could easily eat up my weekend ... ;-)

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2004, 10:02:33 am »
FWIW, unless you are patient, I recommend *NOT BUYING A 5600*.  I wish I hadn\'t - the support for wireless cards if very weak in the Sharp roms, and there aren\'t any stable non-sharp ROMs out there that I am aware of.  Seeing as how I could have gotten the 5500 for only $200 from computergeeks.com, I would have done that in retrospect.

Granted, the wonderful OZ and TKC people will eventually get their stuff working on the 5600 (thanks guys!) but right now, having a 5600 is a pain in the butt.

For my part, I am running the Sharp 1.32 ROM with none of my network cards working, hoping and praying for a new ROM to come along and liberate me.  OZ 3.3.6 has great PCMCIA card support, but the fun stuff I want to run (u4, libSDL, etc.) doesn\'t seem to work quite right due to library issues, etc.

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2004, 10:55:42 am »
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I recommend *NOT BUYING A 5600*.  I wish I hadn\'t - the support for wireless cards if very weak in the Sharp roms,

My Symbol CF WiFi worked \"out-of-the-box\" with my 5600 and Sharp ROM 1.32; I found it on the card compatibility list in the ZUG HowTo\'s.

Sharp\'s ROM definitely has its shortcomings, but after a morning of trying fruitlessly to get Zynergy 5600 to even boot (in one case, even turn on) :shock: , I\'m increasing inclined to overlook them! :?

And if WiFi is a big part of what you do with a PDA, the 5600\'s added battery capacity is going to be a big help.
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