Exchanging "/" And ","

[daniel3000]

Hello,

on my new SL-C3100 with Cacko 1.23 the "/" and "," key codes seem to be reversed.
Pushing the / key, I get a /.
Pushing Shift-/ I get a ,.

That's probably how the key is intended to be used, but in Cacko 1.23b1 on the SL-C3000 I had it the other way around, which is good for writing texts.

How can I change that in Cacko 1.23?

I have already removed and reinserted the section

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and reloaded keyhelper, but to no avail. The keys are always reversed, no matter if I have this section in keyhelper.xml or not.
What setting may be overlaying this?

I have set German and US key mappings in keyboard setting, for fast switching on the symbol in the tray right besides the clock.

Thanks!
daniel

[bam]

look into /home/QtPalmtop/etc/keycode.tbl

[tombraider]

I have the same wish...to switch the forward slash and comma;  I looked at keycode.tbl, but don't know what to do with it.

Can someone give me a clue?

Thanks.  
 

look into /home/QtPalmtop/etc/keycode.tbl
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[Meanie]

Hello,

on my new SL-C3100 with Cacko 1.23 the "/" and "," key codes seem to be reversed.
Pushing the / key, I get a /.
Pushing Shift-/ I get a ,.

That's probably how the key is intended to be used, but in Cacko 1.23b1 on the SL-C3000 I had it the other way around, which is good for writing texts.

How can I change that in Cacko 1.23?

I have already removed and reinserted the section

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and reloaded keyhelper, but to no avail. The keys are always reversed, no matter if I have this section in keyhelper.xml or not.
What setting may be overlaying this?

I have set German and US key mappings in keyboard setting, for fast switching on the symbol in the tray right besides the clock.

Thanks!
daniel
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just remove that section and restart keyhelper. the default setting is that the /, key produces , and / is produced with shift mode. the above code section switches it around.

[daniel3000]

just remove that section and restart keyhelper. the default setting is that the /, key produces , and / is produced with shift mode. the above code section switches it around.
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Hi Meanie,

I did exactly that, but after a khctl reload the key still produces the slash without shift... There must be another place where this is set.
keycode.tbl is somewhat cryptic. There is an entry for Key_Slash, but I don't know exactly what to do there.

Thanks!
daniel

[Meanie]

just remove that section and restart keyhelper. the default setting is that the /, key produces , and / is produced with shift mode. the above code section switches it around.
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Hi Meanie,

I did exactly that, but after a khctl reload the key still produces the slash without shift... There must be another place where this is set.
keycode.tbl is somewhat cryptic. There is an entry for Key_Slash, but I don't know exactly what to do there.

Thanks!
daniel
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reload wont help you because you removed something and not added something. does the key work correctly if you turn off keyhelper? you might need to disable keyhelper, reboot and then reload keyhelper.

[daniel3000]

reload wont help you because you removed something and not added something. does the key work correctly if you turn off keyhelper? you might need to disable keyhelper, reboot and then reload keyhelper.
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If I type khctl disable, the key works as I want it to work.
Subsequent reboot does NOT help, though: After the reboot, keyhelper is enabled again and the key again works as it should NOT do.

I'm stuck - why doesn't keyhelper accept my change? Is there another file which keyhelper uses?

I did another change: I inserted a mapping for Shift-Space to generate a space rather than the pipe symbol (because I accidentally hit Shift-Space a lot of times, especially with sticky shift key). That one works! So the keyhelper.xml file s really used. Strange..

daniel

[Stubear]

reload wont help you because you removed something and not added something. does the key work correctly if you turn off keyhelper? you might need to disable keyhelper, reboot and then reload keyhelper.
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If I type khctl disable, the key works as I want it to work.
Subsequent reboot does NOT help, though: After the reboot, keyhelper is enabled again and the key again works as it should NOT do.

I'm stuck - why doesn't keyhelper accept my change? Is there another file which keyhelper uses?

Looks like you haven't properly removed the comma - slash switching section. Post you keyhelper.xml and we can have a look at what you might have missed.

Or if you'd rather start with a new empty keyhelper.xml and slowly add back the functionality you want.

Stu

[daniel3000]

Looks like you haven't properly removed the comma - slash switching section. Post you keyhelper.xml and we can have a look at what you might have missed.

Or if you'd rather start with a new empty keyhelper.xml and slowly add back the functionality you want.

Stu
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I have doucle-checked the syntax and have found no problems with it. But maybe I missed something. Here is my /home/zaurus/Settings/keyhelper.xml file:

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Any ideas?

Thanks
daniel

[bam]

hmmmz, you could probably get a keycode.tbl from the stock rom and replace the one you have, that would do it for you, make sure to make a backup first (of your cacko keycode.tbl)

[daniel3000]

hmmmz, you could probably get a keycode.tbl from the stock rom and replace the one you have, that would do it for you, make sure to make a backup first (of your cacko keycode.tbl)
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thanks for the idea.
Could someone send me one please (PM)?

What is the relation between keyhelper.xml and keycode.tbl? How does keyhelper work at all? Knowing that would allow me to understand much better what the issue could be.

THanks a lot
daniel

[bam]

keyhelper intercepts the keypresses then sends out a modified one(if any exists in the keyhelper.xml), basically speaking, but Stubear is much more detailed and knowledgeable than I at this subject.

keycode.tbl is what the os uses at a lower level, this is just a guess.

[daniel3000]

keyhelper intercepts the keypresses then sends out a modified one(if any exists in the keyhelper.xml), basically speaking, but Stubear is much more detailed and knowledgeable than I at this subject.

keycode.tbl is what the os uses at a lower level, this is just a guess.
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Well, I meant more what keyhelper does when configuring the keycode conversion (i.e. e.g. "read in the XML, convert it into keycode.tbl, which is ued by lower system layer..." but that's only my guess yet).

daniel

[Stubear]

Sorry, my bad. I had forgotten that Anton had integrated keyhelper with cyrinput and that some of the keyhelper stuff is over-ridden by the cyrinput settings.

To get get slash and comma back to their default settings and to keep keyhelper working you will need to edit the "english" file in /home/zaurus/Application/cyrillica.

This is the default input method used by cyrinput for Cacko, if you have changed that using the Keyboard app in the Settings tab then you will need to edit that language file.

Anyway, a quick overview of what is happening with keypresses in Cacko (at least my understanding of it anyway).

Cyrinput (called CyrKeyboard in the input methods menu) parses the default language file in /home/zaurus/Application/cyrillica. This file has 4 sections [label], [screen], [keyboard] and [keyboard-fn]. The [screen] section maps out the onscreen keyboard seen when you select CyrKeyboard as an input method, the [keyboard] and [keyboard-fn] are used for the physical keyboard.

If you look at the default english file the keyboard section is

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[keyboard]
','  ','  '/'
'/'  ','  ','
'?'  '?' '.'
0   0   0
which from a very dusty memory (search for cyrinput on the forums for a long thread on the layout of this file) tells cryinput to map slash to comma and comma to slash. If you want to do some other mappings here the order is
'original key'   'new value with shift'  'new value'
Not sure why the second line is '/' ',' ',' and not '/' '/' ',' but hey it works

These values overide anything that is mapped in keyhelper.xml, that is why you still see the slash-comma reversal after you edit keyhelper.xml.

to get your desired effect, remove the first 2 lines in the [keyboard] section and reboot.

Stu

[daniel3000]

to get your desired effect, remove the first 2 lines in the [keyboard] section and reboot.
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THANKS!!

Partial success.

I use the English and German layout via fast-switch. The "english" is now fixed. If english is activated I have the desired behavior.
However, I also removed these lines from the "german" file, but in the german keyboard setting the ke functions are still reversed...

The only difference of the two files is the [keybord-fn] section, which in the english file contains only "0 0 0" but in the german file it contains some lines with key codes:

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[keybord-fn]
0x201b 0x20ac 0x20ac #euro
0x200a 0xd6 0xf6
0x200b 0xdc 0xfc
0x200c 0xc4 0xe4
0x2007 0xdf 0xdf
#0x2008 0  0
0 0 0
Could there be another mapping inside this code block?
BTW: How can I determine the codes of the keys?


Another question:
In about one year of heavy daily Zaurus usage I have never used that virtual keyboard or any other of these virtual input methods (only the physical keyboard). Is there a way to remove them cleanly from the entire system (and thus to avoid such kinds of problems)?


thanks again

daniel