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« on: May 12, 2006, 09:57:32 pm »
This is not a smarmy comment, I'm just really interested in the reasons:

Why doesn't OZ have cutting edge software available? Now with the 2.6 kernel, it'd be no prob.

I mean gcc is > 4.0, firefox > 1.5 etc. yet OZ stuff is older.

Is there a specific reason for this?
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2006, 10:58:07 pm »
I think OZ needs some mad compilers like Anunakin.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2006, 03:18:51 am »
No, it needs an easy to use (even if you are not core developer) building system!

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2006, 03:45:02 am »
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No, it needs an easy to use (even if you are not core developer) building system!

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I have just started building a whole GNU/Linux system from scratch on OZ, following the guide at [a href=\"http://www.linuxfromscratch.org]http://www.linuxfromscratch.org[/url]

So far progressing, let's see how far I'll get. If this'll work, then I'll have all the latest compiled packages based on GCC 4.0 etc that will enable native cutting edge compilation...

Let's see...
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2006, 06:35:25 am »
Look on the oe mailing list.

The GCC 4.0 compiler has some quirks iirc, work is underway to use it.

Note that the releases are quite some way behind the cutting edge work going on in .dev


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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2006, 07:18:42 am »
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This is not a smarmy comment, I'm just really interested in the reasons:

Why doesn't OZ have cutting edge software available? Now with the 2.6 kernel, it'd be no prob.

I mean gcc is > 4.0, firefox > 1.5 etc. yet OZ stuff is older.

Is there a specific reason for this?
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Heh, that's funny. For three years, OpenZaurus has been tarred and feathered because we always were on the bleeding edge. Now that we actually implemented the most wanted procedure -- a stable branch -- it starts the other way round  

If you checkout .dev and set DISTRO=openzaurus-unstable, you will get a bleeding edge build.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2006, 07:27:18 am »
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If you checkout .dev and set DISTRO=openzaurus-unstable, you will get a bleeding edge build.
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OK, I'd like to do this. But I've never played with CVS before etc. so am unsure how to do this really.

Could you advise me, how concretely should I go about doing this?

Thanks.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2006, 09:31:21 am »
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No, it needs an easy to use (even if you are not core developer) building system!

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I have just started building a whole GNU/Linux system from scratch on OZ, following the guide at [a href=\"http://www.linuxfromscratch.org]http://www.linuxfromscratch.org[/url]

So far progressing, let's see how far I'll get. If this'll work, then I'll have all the latest compiled packages based on GCC 4.0 etc that will enable native cutting edge compilation...

Let's see...
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OOO I like this! Ill try do it in pdaxrom!
Thnx

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2006, 09:47:17 am »
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OOO I like this! Ill try do it in pdaxrom!
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Good, we can split our efforts, I was gonna do it in pdaXrom too. So I'll focus on OZ.

So far I've compiled binutils no prob, now GCC 4.1.0 has been going for a couple of hours, no prob...

Will see how it goes.

Let me know, how you go along in pdaXrom.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2006, 10:02:18 am »
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OOO I like this! Ill try do it in pdaxrom!
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Good, we can split our efforts, I was gonna do it in pdaXrom too. So I'll focus on OZ.

So far I've compiled binutils no prob, now GCC 4.1.0 has been going for a couple of hours, no prob...

Will see how it goes.

Let me know, how you go along in pdaXrom.
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Why not use OE for that? I've been building images in OE with glibc 2.4, gcc 4.1.0 and the latest binutils for some time now...
It seems to me that doing the same by hand on a zaurus is a gigantic waste of time.
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2006, 10:32:54 am »
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Why not use OE for that? I've been building images in OE with glibc 2.4, gcc 4.1.0 and the latest binutils for some time now...
It seems to me that doing the same by hand on a zaurus is a gigantic waste of time.
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You're probably. Maybe I oughta give it a try. It's just that I've never done any cross-compiling, so really have no clue how to set everything up, and the Intro on the OZ wiki didn't really enlighten me. So I'm afraid I'm gonna install it and get stuck somehow since I really haven't found a simple how-to...

Do you know of any such how-to? I mean, I've no clue what is BitBake, how it relates to OE etc.

Could you explain?
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2006, 10:39:58 am »
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Why not use OE for that? I've been building images in OE with glibc 2.4, gcc 4.1.0 and the latest binutils for some time now...
It seems to me that doing the same by hand on a zaurus is a gigantic waste of time.
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You're probably. Maybe I oughta give it a try. It's just that I've never done any cross-compiling, so really have no clue how to set everything up, and the Intro on the OZ wiki didn't really enlighten me. So I'm afraid I'm gonna install it and get stuck somehow since I really haven't found a simple how-to...

Do you know of any such how-to? I mean, I've no clue what is BitBake, how it relates to OE etc.

Could you explain?
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There are 2 step by step guides:

* the official OE one: [a href=\"http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted]http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted[/url]
* the ångström one: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/node/7

Those should give you enough info on how to setup OE.
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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2006, 11:36:54 am »
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It's just that I've never done any cross-compiling, so really have no clue how to set everything up

I second what Koen says.

You don't need to know anything about cross compiling when you use OE, it will build pretty much everything you need (including the cross toolchain and binutils.)


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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2006, 12:32:03 pm »
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I second what Koen says.

You don't need to know anything about cross compiling when you use OE, it will build pretty much everything you need (including the cross toolchain and binutils.)
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OK, I'll look into it tonight, and I'll try...
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2006, 03:02:07 am »
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* the official OE one: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted
* the ångström one: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/node/7

Those should give you enough info on how to setup OE.
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I think I need a little help, I got to the Create local configuration part where it says to make sure to have a cross-compiler installed for Zaurus before compilation. Yet the linked page only gives info on how to setup the cross-compiler for 2.4 kernel Zs. No info on how to do this for 2.6 kernel.

How do I go about this?
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