What Is The Future For Collies And Other Sl-5xxx's

[koen]

Kopsis: thx for your suggestions. I have one question - will you work on getting zkbdd working under OZ on your clamshell? It would be nice to get this working under 2.6 kernel.
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It all boils down to whether I decide to stick with OZ. I'm trying to learn the develpment environment now, but I'm finding that bitbake and friends have a pretty steep learning curve. When I finally get a package "recipe" and patch set worked out, the build system is pretty sweet. But it's definitely a lot more up-front work than the traditional cross-dev approach.

Sure, but in the end your package is suddenly available for multiple distros and multiple architectures, using the *same* metadata. You can't say that for the traditional cross-dev approach.

I have managed to create working packages for lua_5.1.1, lua-sqlite3, lua-sockets, and I'm working on lua-gtk2 (but it looks like freedesktop.org's CVS servers are down so I can't build all the GTK dependencies). If I can get all those packages built and working, then I'll have a compelling reason to stay with OZ and a 2.6 zkbdd package is sure to follow.
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You do know that lua-gtk2 is already in OE in packages/lua?

[kopsis]

Sure, but in the end your package is suddenly available for multiple distros and multiple architectures, using the *same* metadata. You can't say that for the traditional cross-dev approach.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the buildsystem, it one of the things that actually motivated me to try OZ again  But anyone that says it's easy to learn is either way smarter than I am or a little out of touch with reality.

You do know that lua-gtk2 is already in OE in packages/lua?

Is that only in the dev branch? I didn't see it in oz354x.

[koen]

Sure, but in the end your package is suddenly available for multiple distros and multiple architectures, using the *same* metadata. You can't say that for the traditional cross-dev approach.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the buildsystem, it one of the things that actually motivated me to try OZ again  But anyone that says it's easy to learn is either way smarter than I am or a little out of touch with reality.

I'm not saying it's easy to learn, just pointing out the advantages for people that have been smacked with the 'the world is a zaurus' dogma

You do know that lua-gtk2 is already in OE in packages/lua?

Is that only in the dev branch? I didn't see it in oz354x.
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Yes, in .dev see [a href=\"http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/lua]http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/or...ev/packages/lua[/url], you should be able to use them in .oz354x without problems.
If you have new packages, attach them to bugs.openembedded.org and we'll have a look at adding them.

[chrisl]

Sure, but in the end your package is suddenly available for multiple distros and multiple architectures, using the *same* metadata. You can't say that for the traditional cross-dev approach.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the buildsystem, it one of the things that actually motivated me to try OZ again  But anyone that says it's easy to learn is either way smarter than I am or a little out of touch with reality.

I'm not saying it's easy to learn, just pointing out the advantages for people that have been smacked with the 'the world is a zaurus' dogma

You do know that lua-gtk2 is already in OE in packages/lua?

Is that only in the dev branch? I didn't see it in oz354x.
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Yes, in .dev see [a href=\"http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/lua]http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/or...ev/packages/lua[/url], you should be able to use them in .oz354x without problems.
If you have new packages, attach them to bugs.openembedded.org and we'll have a look at adding them.
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I am going to put my two cents in: I am a newbie who has has a Collie for only one month. Bought it on the spur of the moment when my daughter's Zire 72 died and I gave her mine. Ran across it on a consumer warning web page. I love it. Immediately upon purchasing it, I started playing with various distros. While I like Qtopia, the newest version of qtopia-based ROM is unusable. Cannot install anything. Of all the distros, I keep coming back to OZ. It is fast and is in active development (thanks you hrw/CoreDump and anyone esle working on it!) and most functional. So I hope youall keep working on it. If I had any programming expertise, I would offer help. But alas!

Chris--