Hardware

[Tomoe]

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-12...+available.html

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES? (apples being WVGA displays-on-chip)

The article says that a 5" one is coming soon too.

[speculatrix]

forgot to add that if we use egale it looks like i will have to buy the full profesinol ediion ($1200 USD) and for that price i think it would be worth looking into the protel /altium stuff

anyone know what the open video card guys use?
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how many of us are willing to put our money where our mouths are and put some money up-front into this project to buy DaBlitz a license, which could be recovered from sales of the final device? If we added $20 to each PP, we could probably cover the cost... and DaBlitz is "paid" for his work by getting a useful package so he can run his own PCB design business!

[speculatrix]

anyway i didnt mean to push you at all, its more aimed at tomtom. if anything i belive our best way to get the software is to catch them in a GPL voliation then licsence the maps from them.

i doubght however that they violated the gpl in anyway  . if they did and we had acsess to the software then licsencing the maps would be a win win situation

would it be posible to reverse engineer the map format and work off that (that way they still make money  ) or do we offer up a programmer to them to Zed'erize tomtom (like what happened to quake)

actually in truth i havent tourched my Z in awhile as i have been upgrading the infrastructure of my network (dns servers web servers and such on my "slugs")
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tomtom have actively published their entire toolchain, and all their kernel patches (on sourceforge), so they are smart dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if some lurk around on here!

the tomtom program does actually execute/start on the zaurus, it successfully opened the touchscreen, gps serial port, etc etc. I originally tried on my 860 running cacko, which was the wrong kernel version, and have only got partway on my 6000 running OZ with k2.6. You can download the tomtom software from their site as an upgrade package, break it apart using tools from the OpenTom project, and thus extract all the binaries. However, you won't have the lock/key values in the eeprom which allow it to unlock the maps etc. Since I have a TomTom GO300, I am able to "use" its license for this, but if other people want to try they will need to buy an old/cheap/part-broken GO to get its license!

[Da_Blitz]

i am sure thier is an infraction there, however i do not belive it is a good idea to strong arm them,

i will not accepet cash or donations for the pocket penguine until i ship a product. there are several reasons, one it obligates me to finish the project, it may seem wierd but i dont want to be forced to finished it, its not my style and i find it counter productive. two there is no garentee that i wont run off with the cash, sad but true. i know i have been around awhile and built up a reputation but i dont feel that is enough to trust me

if we did do this then i recomend establishing the "free hardware foundation" to accept the money on my behalf and distribute it as needed to open hardware projects. initally it would be us and perhaps the open source video card however this isa better way to do it. of course i would sign up to be a member but i would not accept a role as one who handles the finance. unless of course one alread exsists? i know the FSF tinkers with hardware.

ethier way it will happen sooner or latter. i do like the idea of bieng funded to set up my own pcb design house  even if it is only every now and again, but once again creating the FHF would be a better way to handel this

keep in mind that i have major plans for this project besides just a "open hardware PDA". several projects depend on it which in turn depend on each other.

[Ferret-Simpson]

But it's not a PDA. It's a workstation. o.O

[adf]

But it's not a PDA. It's a workstation. o.O
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along the idea of buying licenses, though.... might it be possible to buy the license for map data use from the tomtom guys? Ther are some problems with this, of course.  The will probably want ALL PP's licensed, for example, and maybe the idea of forced purchase of software licenses isn't such a good match to the open hardware concept.  

As I said earlier GPS in the PP wouldn't kill me, but I'd be most likely to use it in the truck for directions/addresses.  in AK, if you are on the road, you pretty much know where you are, as there are so few roads-- it would just be a matter of finding stuff in anchorage using my PP.  Offroad, I think the PP would live in a very protective case. Most of the time ak's climate isn't really all that friendly to electronics.  This is a situation where the OLPClooks good, btw. nice weather resistant keyboard, etc...

[Da_Blitz]

i really dont like tomtom, they have some practices that are annoying and invasive

take for example trying to install the software on a PDA, just to install it you have to go throgh a process of ensuring your identity and put your pin here, once the software is on the device you have to do the same on the device as well.

i also feel that thier practice of not making a WM5 update to the older software was a bad idea, i could understand if they charged for it but instead they want you to buy everything again.

there is a bit of a workaround (that works for all PPC software) start the install process but stop before you get to the actualy transfer, at that point navigate to C://document and settings/<your user> then go to ethire application data or the temp folder thier, at this point there should be a cab file in there, that is the program for the PPC minus its ugly install program. ifyou dont see the cab file try hitting the transfer button then looking in the dir and copying it out of there.

i used to have all these CAB files on a SD card with the write protect switch thrown as well as having a text file with all the keys in it so that i could rebuild my PDA in the field (1:1 backups never worked due to an app or two i used to run, eg http and ftp server)

i dont mind a binary but i just know they will try the drm route, simmilar to my fav qoute:
realplayer is imposible to get rid off, it installs itself in the a***h*** of windows
but windows dosent have an a***h***
realplayer installs its own

[stampsm]

i have not been around much but i found a place that sells dev kits for the i.mx31 processor. they also have scematics availible for download if you register.
http://www.logicpd.com/eps/som/freescale/iMX31/

[Da_Blitz]

very nice, i guess for the software guys who want to get stated it would be great.

the scehematiic should save a bit of time with the deingn (helps reduce the time spent making sure i wired everything up correctlly)

[speculatrix]

the tomtom program does actually execute/start on the zaurus, it successfully opened the touchscreen, gps serial port, etc etc. I originally tried on my 860
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I don't know if you guys noticed, but TomTom now runs on OZ on Zaurus, and also on a Navman with linux ported to it...

this means that the PocketPenguin *must* have a GPS!

[Da_Blitz]

Yes i noticed, still this is a good time to argue if we add it or make it an addon (such as blutetooth, or possibly as a keyboard option over usb

[stampsm]

the tomtom program does actually execute/start on the zaurus, it successfully opened the touchscreen, gps serial port, etc etc. I originally tried on my 860
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I don't know if you guys noticed, but TomTom now runs on OZ on Zaurus, and also on a Navman with linux ported to it...

this means that the PocketPenguin *must* have a GPS!
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here are a few modules and what to expect to pay for them. granted these are complete modules that all you have to do is plug them in and recieve i think serial data so you can save cost buy using your own processor and software, but they would be the easiest way  to integrate GPS.

[Da_Blitz]

i really dont want to add modules, really really dont want too

i dont belive intergrating gps chips onboard will be that difficult, but i will know more once it has been researched

[stampsm]

if you give us CF anf SD slots we can use the CF slot for anything we want including GPS, since alot of pda gps modules are in CF form. the cost will be about the same buying a module designed for GPS internally as it would be to get one in CF form. that way people wanting gps can get it and people who don't care about it don't pay or it. i have been away for a bit so i m going to have to review all your guys current plans.

[Da_Blitz]

actually development has slowed so you didnt miss much,

GPS wise i always thogth that the CF units were bigger than they needed to be. besides the chips are only a couple o dollars a piece and ethier way it will be cheaper than a CF GPS. just one last thing

There is no CFIO on this thing.