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« on: July 31, 2006, 02:09:20 pm »
I thought about putting this in the Hardware topic, but thought it didn't really fit..

 Anyways, while I was searching for CF cards, I came across this PDA Phone that has most of the things that have been talked about for the PPZ,  It doesn't, however have much internal storage, and no CF slots.

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 02:28:29 pm »
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I thought about putting this in the Hardware topic, but thought it didn't really fit..

 Anyways, while I was searching for CF cards, I came across this PDA Phone that has most of the things that have been talked about for the PPZ,  It doesn't, however have much internal storage, and no CF slots.

I-Mate T-Jasar

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That's the 'htc universal' they keep talking about
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 03:15:12 pm »
The design can be improved. Mainly the keys on the sides : No easy big keys like "shoot", "play/pause", "back", "forward" and "record".
And of course... a native Linux OS is missing.

This HTC is for me the best ARM PDA/phone hardware at present. Nothing compare to it. First class since the end of 2005 (when they release it).

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 04:49:13 pm »
Yeah. Hence why I'm buying one.

Alot of the inspiration for the PPZ's internal phone systems and configuration is coming from the XDAE/Jasjar/Q9000/MDA-Pro/Universal (Yep, still the same phone.) It's the main competition with the PPZ because of the rapidly maturing OpenEmbedded port. Add to that the pricetag and you see why we want to prove to the big Corps that we can do alot better.

Things the PPZ has and the Universal doesn't?

Accelerometer, Phone-Screen, 802.11G, 3D Acceleration, Video-Out, ATA66, DDR, 512MB (It has 64) memory, a thumbprint scanner (That came from the iPaq), Scrollwheel (Clie/Palm), Trackball (Sparkfun), Twin SD sockets, the Under-Consideration Torch, a GPG-Signed secure bootloader to prevent reflashing (Thanks DB!), Shoulder-Buttons, 5.1-Surround Sound, SPDIF,  and the GSM trace to locate the device in case of theft.

It's not a design that'll make anyone money to sell, because we're not manufacturing large enough volumes of them, and we're selling only parts to avoid the need to have it tested by the various goverment sales tests.

But it will show the manufacturing corporations such as HTC, HP, Sharp and Dell. . . That they don't have hidden trade-secrets that prevent us from doing it ourselves, and if they want to keep their customers from DIY, they should buck up their ideas about the limited feature-set concept.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 02:48:55 am »
mmm, i was looking at that, i was ethier going to buy one of them or put the funds into designing my own PDA, i wonder how that turned out

its probbelly a better idea to link to the xda developers website (wiki) as they have the tech info there - http://wiki.xda-developers.com/.

i have used the k-jam for awhile and it was quite nice, it is even more tempting now that there is an 802.11g patch out for it. the mini is nice as well but i could not live without a keyboard

actually i stole the GSM thing from the XDA people, never was my idea

i bet you could hack a CF card into it if need be, one of the things i discovered with the x30 is that you can remove the wireless out of it to get acsess to a socket that has CF and a serial port on it. if you bought the lower end model then you didnt lose anything, however if you added one wire you could have had wifi and CF at the same time

oh well, the universal or the k-jjam are my backup right until i start spending money on this project
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2006, 02:01:55 pm »
Here's another device..  Not really a PDA, but interesting placement of I/O stuff, and the camera swivels...

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 05:22:07 pm »
Sigmarion 3 - still the best compromise in form factor I've found.  800x480 screen, really good usable keyboard, cf, sd, ...

Bigger than the 3200, but the screen estate and usable keyboard makes it my daily device.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2007, 03:57:33 pm »
Here is another device...  Very M$ centric, but that's no surprise given who the principle of the company is...

FlipStart PC

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 07:55:46 am »
Old, and crusoe-based.

I mean I hate x86 full stop. . . But Crusoe?!

DEATH TO THAT CHIP SERIES!

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 08:52:44 am »
x86 has its good points, the reason i dont like it is because i feel it could be better without the legacy stuff, but that costs
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 05:25:45 am »
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Here is another device...  Very M$ centric, but that's no surprise given who the principle of the company is...

FlipStart PC
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Good god... They've updated their web site.

I would buy a Vulcan Flipstart in a second if it existed. Problem is - it's been vapourware for 2(?) years or so...

But now they've updated their web page! They just might possibly still exist!

Crusoe or not, it's a clamshell, only slightly bigger than the Z, and x-86 compatible. If there is ever anything that was spec'd as the "new" Zaurus - it's the flipstart.

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4"x5.8"x1" - 1" wider, .75" deeper, same thickness as a Z. 256mb ram, 30gb HD, 1024x600 screen.
I'm starting to save up now, on the off chance they bring something to market.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2007, 01:10:26 pm »
at the moment, I think the only way the pocket penguin will fly (in as much as penguins fly) is to produce a custom case around the new Nokia N800,  turning it into a clamshell, using an internal usb hub to add the peripherals such as keyboard, trackpad/joystick, gps, and a gsm/gprs/edge/3g module.

the N800, it seems to me, would be a great motherboard + display unit for this. if there were a clamshell version or clippable keyboard like the HTC Athena, it'd be a dream machine. If Nokia did two slip covers, a thin/normal one, the other thicker with a keyboard, I'd be queueing up to buy it!
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 05:30:59 am »
not such a bad idea. ethire way i need to get some work done
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 06:07:20 am »
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indeed... time to turn vapourware into hardware!
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2007, 04:18:55 am »
i like this case design

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/25/diction...90-canons-v300/

(one at the top)

yeah its time for action, there is just 2 things holding me back, one is the "windows" problem and another is the PCB software. the free version of egale just dosent cut it. still thinking about how to solve this

and before you ask, yes putting windows on this machine is a pain, it is not easy at all and not because i have linux on there already (althogh compatibility can be an issue. might see if my programs work under wine  (now why didnt i think of that eairier)
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