Need Kernel Info For Zaurus

[chuckr]

I've been off trying to learn how to use a package system, one named ptxdist.  I've been playing with it a while now, and find I can really use it to build (cross compile)  everything I want to for the Zaurus, including a nice kernel system, but now I need to learn what I'll need to actually install the kernel I;ve buit.  I know what things like bzImages are, in general, but honestly, I don't know if there are certain kernels I should use on the zaurus, or what kind of boot loader is commonly used.  I guess I'm pretty ignorant about this ... if anyone knows more,  could you drop me some notes about mking and loading kernels on the Zaurus?

I can happily trade info, if any of you are uncertain about how to use the ptxdist stuff.  I have that working really well now, and could very likely answer most questions you might have about it.  The pointer for the ptxdist stuff is from:

 http://www.pengutronix.de/software/ptxdist_en.html

They've got hundreds of packages, all available from subversion, and it compiles as easily as, say, Fink packages.

Thanks

[chuckr]

OK, lots of follks readd, but no responses.  Either you don't care about the ptxdist stuff at all, or I did a lousy job of telling you ,,, tell me bluntly which it is,  if you do aska question, I'enjoy giving you the info, and if I get rude noises, I won;t take it badly, but  iwill definitely stop bothering you over this.  i really like ptxdist, because I have closer control, and I can see what's ahppeninbg and control things directly.  i like seeing my root filesystem showing up, bit by bit.

Tell you what, I'll tossx in a little bit of words here and see if I can put you all to sleep.  The idea is, first you use subversion of grab the entire ptxdist directory.  Sorta depends on your net bandwidth, but it's going to take less than 30 minutes, I would think.  Then, you use the same tool you use the configure your Linux kernels (menuconfig).  You actually use canned configs to get yourself started, so that you are presented with an entire cross-compiling setup.  After that, you change the configuration so that it's not building tools anymore, it;s now working on userland, and if beins building those nice iamges for you, depending on how muich patience you have, it could take days to complete.  It's so much fun to watch!

Anyhow, I still need some into about booting, because I'm abysmally dumb about the subject (well, I am about it on the Zaurus!).  What's the kind of image I want, bzImage? what about zImage? or, I think there are other's, also.   What about tools like Lilo, or grub, do I need to worry about stuff like that?  Before I can try my new images out, I need to know a heck of a lot more about booting zaurus kernels

I am talking here about my C3000 ZXaurus, which has that 4G hard disk.  Because I have a filesystem here, I guess, am I right, can I actually ignore having to flash anything?

OK, please let me have some feedback, tell me if I'm on the right track or not, ok?

[HoloVector]

OK, lots of follks readd, but no responses.  Either you don't care about the ptxdist stuff at all, or I did a lousy job of telling you ,,, tell me bluntly which it is,  if you do aska question, I'enjoy giving you the info, and if I get rude noises, I won;t take it badly, but  iwill definitely stop bothering you over this.  i really like ptxdist, because I have closer control, and I can see what's ahppeninbg and control things directly.  i like seeing my root filesystem showing up, bit by bit.

Tell you what, I'll tossx in a little bit of words here and see if I can put you all to sleep.  The idea is, first you use subversion of grab the entire ptxdist directory.  Sorta depends on your net bandwidth, but it's going to take less than 30 minutes, I would think.  Then, you use the same tool you use the configure your Linux kernels (menuconfig).  You actually use canned configs to get yourself started, so that you are presented with an entire cross-compiling setup.  After that, you change the configuration so that it's not building tools anymore, it;s now working on userland, and if beins building those nice iamges for you, depending on how muich patience you have, it could take days to complete.  It's so much fun to watch!

Anyhow, I still need some into about booting, because I'm abysmally dumb about the subject (well, I am about it on the Zaurus!).  What's the kind of image I want, bzImage? what about zImage? or, I think there are other's, also.   What about tools like Lilo, or grub, do I need to worry about stuff like that?  Before I can try my new images out, I need to know a heck of a lot more about booting zaurus kernels

I am talking here about my C3000 ZXaurus, which has that 4G hard disk.  Because I have a filesystem here, I guess, am I right, can I actually ignore having to flash anything?

OK, please let me have some feedback, tell me if I'm on the right track or not, ok?
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I think the reason you aren't getting a response here is because you are posting to the wrong subforum.   OpenZaurus uses the Open Embedded build system.  The system you are working with is, I believe, used to build pdaXrom.  So you might get more of a response in the pdaXrom subforum.  I hope this helps you out.

[chuckr]

OK, lots of follks readd, but no responses.  Either you don't care about the ptxdist stuff at all, or I did a lousy job of telling you ,,, tell me bluntly which it is,  if you do aska question, I'enjoy giving you the info, and if I get rude noises, I won;t take it badly, but  iwill definitely stop bothering you over this.  i really like ptxdist, because I have closer control, and I can see what's ahppeninbg and control things directly.  i like seeing my root filesystem showing up, bit by bit.

Tell you what, I'll tossx in a little bit of words here and see if I can put you all to sleep.  The idea is, first you use subversion of grab the entire ptxdist directory.  Sorta depends on your net bandwidth, but it's going to take less than 30 minutes, I would think.  Then, you use the same tool you use the configure your Linux kernels (menuconfig).  You actually use canned configs to get yourself started, so that you are presented with an entire cross-compiling setup.  After that, you change the configuration so that it's not building tools anymore, it;s now working on userland, and if beins building those nice iamges for you, depending on how muich patience you have, it could take days to complete.  It's so much fun to watch!

Anyhow, I still need some into about booting, because I'm abysmally dumb about the subject (well, I am about it on the Zaurus!).  What's the kind of image I want, bzImage? what about zImage? or, I think there are other's, also.   What about tools like Lilo, or grub, do I need to worry about stuff like that?  Before I can try my new images out, I need to know a heck of a lot more about booting zaurus kernels

I am talking here about my C3000 ZXaurus, which has that 4G hard disk.  Because I have a filesystem here, I guess, am I right, can I actually ignore having to flash anything?

OK, please let me have some feedback, tell me if I'm on the right track or not, ok?
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I think the reason you aren't getting a response here is because you are posting to the wrong subforum.   OpenZaurus uses the Open Embedded build system.  The system you are working with is, I believe, used to build pdaXrom.  So you might get more of a response in the pdaXrom subforum.  I hope this helps you out.
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[chuckr]

OK, lots of follks readd, but no responses.  Either you don't care about the ptxdist stuff at all, or I did a lousy job of telling you ,,, tell me bluntly which it is,  if you do aska question, I'enjoy giving you the info, and if I get rude noises, I won;t take it badly, but  iwill definitely stop bothering you over this.  i really like ptxdist, because I have closer control, and I can see what's ahppeninbg and control things directly.  i like seeing my root filesystem showing up, bit by bit.

Tell you what, I'll tossx in a little bit of words here and see if I can put you all to sleep.  The idea is, first you use subversion of grab the entire ptxdist directory.  Sorta depends on your net bandwidth, but it's going to take less than 30 minutes, I would think.  Then, you use the same tool you use the configure your Linux kernels (menuconfig).  You actually use canned configs to get yourself started, so that you are presented with an entire cross-compiling setup.  After that, you change the configuration so that it's not building tools anymore, it;s now working on userland, and if beins building those nice iamges for you, depending on how muich patience you have, it could take days to complete.  It's so much fun to watch!

Anyhow, I still need some into about booting, because I'm abysmally dumb about the subject (well, I am about it on the Zaurus!).  What's the kind of image I want, bzImage? what about zImage? or, I think there are other's, also.   What about tools like Lilo, or grub, do I need to worry about stuff like that?  Before I can try my new images out, I need to know a heck of a lot more about booting zaurus kernels

I am talking here about my C3000 ZXaurus, which has that 4G hard disk.  Because I have a filesystem here, I guess, am I right, can I actually ignore having to flash anything?

OK, please let me have some feedback, tell me if I'm on the right track or not, ok?
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I think the reason you aren't getting a response here is because you are posting to the wrong subforum.   OpenZaurus uses the Open Embedded build system.  The system you are working with is, I believe, used to build pdaXrom.  So you might get more of a response in the pdaXrom subforum.  I hope this helps you out.
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OK, then, how about a suggestion for me?  I will tell you enough about ptxdist, so that you can understand my status.  First, it's NOT about pdaxrom, but there is a connection, sure enough, because ptxdist has been (pretty obviously) used to provide the logical base for pdaxom.  hmm, can I use a analogy here?  I like fvwm, but because both fvwm and kde both use X11, you couldn't call kde a piece of fvwm (or vice versa).  Basically, ptxdist is built on these basics:

1) the Linux config (I think you can even get xconfig to work!)
2) a bit of medium complicated gmake macros, and
3) an equal bit of bash scripts.

I like python, but these folks have skipped that, it's not useing it.  The hardest part of figure out is probably the fact that the Linux config system could be better documented but, man, it sure works nicely,

So with this as a background, what place should I stick a post?  Realize, no mstter what you say, I'm probably going to argue with you a bit.

[HoloVector]

Perhaps I did not make myself clear on my reply to you.  The vast majority of the readers of OZ/Common are experienced with the OE build system and not the pxdist build system that you are working with.  If you are looking for experience with pxdist, I suggest you ask in the pdaXrom subforum because you are more likely to find someone with pxdist experience there.

[Hrw]

chuckr: look how pdax has zaurus kernel added into ptxdist or look how OE have it done. then import it to your project.

And I do not see sense of creating yet-another-system-for-zaurus - we already suffer fragmentation enough. If I would be you I will go into pdaX builder (ptxdist based) or OpenEmbedded and configured it to my needs. Less work needed, more stuff available.