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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2007, 03:49:30 am »
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
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I'm running beta3 on a C1000 and I haven't noticed any issues with "instability."  Beta4 was challenging, so I "retro-graded" back to beta3 for the moment.  Besides some unresolved issues with keymapping on an external keyboard, there is very little that I can complain about.

What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2007, 03:52:55 am »
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What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
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That's a lame excuse. When you find a bug. You should document it and try to fix it, rather than saying try something else.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2007, 03:53:48 am by xjqian »
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2007, 04:56:07 am »
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I am owner C1000 and I have to say that beta1 is most stable version here. Nor beta3 nor beta4 nor 121. So I am stuck to beta1 and I did not have any problems to run beta3 appz. And when I will have I can put required libraries (no other differences between beta1 and beta3 are for runnig appz) easily into beta1.
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I'm running beta3 on a C1000 and I haven't noticed any issues with "instability."  Beta4 was challenging, so I "retro-graded" back to beta3 for the moment.  Besides some unresolved issues with keymapping on an external keyboard, there is very little that I can complain about.

What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152458\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152491\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152494\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]

Anyway I will try in beta3 ...  thnx for info ...
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2007, 07:27:39 am »
I have r121 on bothe my c760 and c860 .... and I've only had 1 crash (after arguably dangerous use on /sys tree) and an odd behaviour after hours of play time on quake. On the whole I'm pretty happy with it .... appart some difficulties in getting some things right on the c860 ... and the missing usb-storage functionality.

In any case if pdaXrom is no go ... and same for the other distros ... drop me a PM I'm intrested in your c860 ;-) .
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2007, 07:37:39 pm »
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
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I don't even remember what the differences are between beta1 and beta3.  When I got my C1000 and decided on a pdaXrom, I chose beta3 based on what I had read about it.  Beta4 came out shortly afterward and I tried that, but went back to beta3 after a couple months.

The issue with accented characters in justreader isn't a missing font, is it?  I've been meaning to try justreader, but I haven't been reading many ebooks lately.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2007, 08:35:55 pm »
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152444\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Actually I was using beta2 on my c860 instead of beta3. I found that the contrast keys didn't work in 3 , and at the time the developers had already moved on to beta4, so I went back. I haven't been able to flash r121 because if a couple of bad blocks (the last time I tried it anyway, several months ago), and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2007, 06:20:37 am »
Quote from: xjqian,Jan 26 2007, 11:52 AM
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What are / were the specific issues you experienced with beta3 on a C1000?
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I could not see any accented characters in justreader in cp1250.
No problem in beta1. Working great from install.
What's main differences between beta1 and beta3?
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152491\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Try fbreader. [a href=\"http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/]http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/[/url]
It's much better than justreader.
[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152494\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
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That's a lame excuse. When you find a bug. You should document it and try to fix it, rather than saying try something else.
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I'm not the author of justreader. I just tried to use both and decide that fbreader much better.

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2007, 06:59:00 am »
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How can having choices be a bad thing. People are working on different levels.

In all those years I have been involved in OpenSource projects the "freedom of choice" argument has often been misused and violated by forgetting that at the end of the process there should be available something usable.
Otherwise the resulting thing is nothing but a geeky proof-of-concept which will not pull much attention on it.

Personally I did never understand why eg. this "choice" argument has been using for refraining from joining efforts with OE and some rivalry had been set up instead.

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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2007, 08:23:42 am »
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How can having choices be a bad thing. People are working on different levels.

In all those years I have been involved in OpenSource projects the "freedom of choice" argument has often been misused and violated by forgetting that at the end of the process there should be available something usable.
Otherwise the resulting thing is nothing but a geeky proof-of-concept which will not pull much attention on it.

Personally I did never understand why eg. this "choice" argument has been using for refraining from joining efforts with OE and some rivalry had been set up instead.

Oliver
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Well said Oliver ... point to note though, the diff ROMs didn't just start off on day one, with each group deciding to have the different directions, forks etc. Each kinda started off due to different needs at different time. Having said that, I'm totally with you on joining efforts.

My take on choices is that choices are good only when it is among valid working options. If having the resources split results in numerous roms with each almost good enough, while joining resources results in only one or two roms with each running and 'perfect' with their own strengths, I'll choose the latter any day. Currently, we are kinda like the former.
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2007, 08:54:02 am »
Just for the records... my take on this freedom of choice thingy as posted over half a year ago:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...42&#entry126142
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2007, 09:46:37 am »
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Just for the records... my take on this freedom of choice thingy as posted over half a year ago:

https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showt...42&#entry126142
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Hehe, I like that one:

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...but I'd gladly give up chosing between 10 crappy things when I could just take the one really cool thing out there.

I second that.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2007, 10:46:58 am »
well said.

What's preventing OZ/GPE from merging with PdaXrom or the other way around?
My feeling is that the OZ team is a step ahead on the kernel part while PdaXrom team does well on the user land.

Why Uboot v.s. Altboot?
Why PdaXrom soft float v.s. OZ soft float?
Why PdaXrom can't just borrow the OZ kernel and focus on the user land?
As the OZ developers are moving towards Angstrom, can't PdaXrom just take over/merge with OZ GPE 3.5.5? If so then we can have a single bug-tracking system and email list.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2007, 11:06:54 am »
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actually, the ONLY stable release on sl-c860 is BETA1 but....--- UHH... OPS! ----.... that's the ONLY release no one is developing for.[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152444\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Actually I was using beta2 on my c860 instead of beta3. I found that the contrast keys didn't work in 3 , and at the time the developers had already moved on to beta4, so I went back. I haven't been able to flash r121 because if a couple of bad blocks (the last time I tried it anyway, several months ago), and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?
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Is this true about NAND backup/restore capability?  I can understand that the normal Service and Diag menus available on D+M+reset and D+P+reset respectively are no longer available because I believe the uboot system has overwritten them in the first 7Mb of the NAND.  But at least on the C1000, you still have available the backup copies of these menus on Fn+D+M+reset and Fn+D+P+reset resp. and both of these contain the NAND backup and restore options.  Is it the case that (some part of?) these don't work?  I know for sure that NAND restore on the backup service menu works because I used this to recover from my attempt to use r121 and get back to beta1!  Is it that the backup options don't work? or produce unrestorable backups?
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2007, 01:20:11 pm »
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[...] and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152595\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Is this true about NAND backup/restore capability?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152824\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
To clarify. It is my understanding that you can perform a NAND backup, but while you cannot restore that backup, you can restore other backups (say backups from earlier beta's or Cacko, etc).

Please anyone, update us if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2007, 02:51:52 pm »
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[...] and I got turned off by the lack of NAND backup/restore capability in the 2.6 kernel ROMs. has anyone manged to work that out yet?[div align=\"right\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
Is this true about NAND backup/restore capability?[div align=\"right\"][a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=152824\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a][/div]
To clarify. It is my understanding that you can perform a NAND backup, but while you cannot restore that backup, you can restore other backups (say backups from earlier beta's or Cacko, etc).

Please anyone, update us if I'm wrong.
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That's my understanding.

As a side note, has anybody tried using the script from [a href=\"https://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22034]this[/url] thread to mount an r121 backup and get data out of it?
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