New Rom Gentoo On Zaurus

[Snappy]

Interesting ... gentoo on Z would make yet another full distro on Z.

It's good to have choices ... but isn't this bordering on "because we can" kind of choice?
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Unless it is relatively easy to continue with gentoo from there-- this would help proof us in case OZ moves on and pdax goes static
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ok ... now that we got everyone excited ...
Guess the upside as you mentioned, is that gentoo or even (z)ubuntu is actively maintained.

On the other hand, if there is no speed improvement, having a somewhat static rom such as Cacko is still serving many of us well, that is once we get the necessary apps we need to use.

On yet the earlier hand, being actively maintained can future proof our Z, example updating the SD drivers to support 4gb sdcard, and perhaps even SDIO and SDHC?

I'll stop here ...

[kkazakov13]

On yet the earlier hand, being actively maintained can future proof our Z, example updating the SD drivers to support 4gb sdcard, and perhaps even SDIO and SDHC?

I'll stop here ...
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SDHC will not be possible, as the hardware is not compatible. Don't know for SDIO, as I don't know hardware part of the zaurus. But for SD 4 gb, I agree, I think it's quite possible from what I've read so far.

[adf]

4 gig sd works on kernel 2.6
can be "perssuaded" on 2.4 on pxa2700

[kkazakov13]

Any idea from where to get the  ftp://gfz:gentoofz@civil.mine.nu/* files, mentioned ? did anyone downloaded them already?

[Snappy]

On yet the earlier hand, being actively maintained can future proof our Z, example updating the SD drivers to support 4gb sdcard, and perhaps even SDIO and SDHC?

I'll stop here ...
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SDHC will not be possible, as the hardware is not compatible. Don't know for SDIO, as I don't know hardware part of the zaurus. But for SD 4 gb, I agree, I think it's quite possible from what I've read so far.
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Well, true for SDHC. For 4gb, I know it works, 'cos my Z accepts the 4gb sdcard readily with the updated sdcard driver.  ... at least on Cacko 1.23 anyway.

[Da_Blitz]

funny you mentoin SDHC, do a search in the 2.6.20 changelogs for the lin kernel

btw SD card specs say the cards have to be  backwards compatible, they will operate at the slower speeds however as the dell pda users know not all SD cards are created equal

i here there is an arm port of fedora around, id be intrested in giving that a go  (i just find unbuntu really really slow, for me there is no real diffrence between ubuntu and fedora except that fedora has a theme that i like more)

i hear the precompiled binary distros bassed on gentoo are becomming a bit more common. perhaps the russians should team up with the nsul guys as they have a compile farm of arm servers (distcc, on 233Mhz procs with 64MB a peice and huge swap + / disk)

i think gentoo is more like OE, except OE dosent call itself a distro . a binary version of gentoo would be very intresting and portage has support for binary mirrors  

[adf]

funny you mentoin SDHC, do a search in the 2.6.20 changelogs for the lin kernel

btw SD card specs say the cards have to be  backwards compatible, they will operate at the slower speeds however as the dell pda users know not all SD cards are created equal

i here there is an arm port of fedora around, id be intrested in giving that a go  (i just find unbuntu really really slow, for me there is no real diffrence between ubuntu and fedora except that fedora has a theme that i like more)

i hear the precompiled binary distros bassed on gentoo are becomming a bit more common. perhaps the russians should team up with the nsul guys as they have a compile farm of arm servers (distcc, on 233Mhz procs with 64MB a peice and huge swap + / disk)

i think gentoo is more like OE, except OE dosent call itself a distro . a binary version of gentoo would be very intresting and portage has support for binary mirrors  
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You just have to rebuild your kernel to speed ubuntu up. apt-get --build pretty much automates it. it is really no big deal to make Ubuntu very snappy.

[pkwong]

anyone using gentoo?
i get kernel panic everytime i emerge --sync...
please help

[anunakin]

Nice news...

Sash, what u think? can we just go to this way?    

[pkwong]

hmm, after some luck with emerge sync without kernel panic,
now it fails to patch anything when doing a emerge

[speculatrix]

sorry to be a dampener... the reason why gentoo supposedly gives a speed increase is because there are many variants of PC hardware and the generic OS installs (suse, redhat, debian etc etc) use a default kernel and library builds covering most variants of CPU,  and thus are unlikely to be optimal for your hardware.

the kernels and libraries for your Z are built specifically for the model, and although there have been special builds (e.g. tetsu kernels) in general they're going to be somewhat optimised for the specific PXA processors in use - it's perfectly possible to cross-compile things for the Z on a linux x86 box and optimise for the specific CPU.

I would hint that setting up a good build environment on your PC able to build all of pdax or OZ or A with all compilations optimised for your specific CPU would be your best endeavour. Snag is you could have compatibility problems with any standard packages from the feed.

[Civil]

pkwong
You need either eclass.patch ( ftp://gentoo.ru/pub/eclass.arm.patch ) or native compiled bash.

[pkwong]

GREAT!!!
it worked after patching! thanks!!

[gen2]

however, i do agree with the gentoo dev on the last post of ArchiMark's link. doing a source based distro for a z is just plain asinine. i even curse it on my pc's at times.

if gentoo's biggest pains (install and source compiling) could be removed / limited from the general z user, then it might be worth while. leaving the arm compiling to people with more than one z and people who like punishment  

Just my $.02

--webslngr

ROFL!!!!

Oh MAN, my sides hurt!!! Ok this is one of the funniest things I've read all week. I barely know where to begin. I can't even address it directly it's so silly. Folks, completely ignore what this webslngr said here, it's worth far less than $.02.

Gentoo on a Z is EXACTLY what you want. That's how you squeeze all the mismatch mayhem out of the system, how you get ALL of your apps running great, even while you add more and more, or rip a bunch out. Gentoo SCALES. That is what we like. I just compiled 450 packages for OpenBSD on Z, and it's PAINLESS, chomsayin? Local compilation on a sane distribution is a good thing.

Obviously you people need some churchin up.  Get with reverend Theo, they do good work over there.  

http://www.planetofidiots.com/zaurus/

[adf]

Gentoo on Z would rock assuming it is something like as "painless" as it is on a pc. what about the limited disk space? any way to build packages on a network mount, or somthing like that?