Oops...xinitrc

[Capn_Fish]

Try reinstalling just ICEWM & imlib, NOT icewm-pdaxrom, then use one of the .xinitrcs I posted...see if that lets you get into it.

[Jon_J]

I have it running by using the second .xinitrc file you posted.
There is only a small taskbar, and I cannot seem to be able to find my programs or filesystem.
I have some questions.
I scrolled through the menu choices, but all the entries are empty. Shouldn't my programs, and/or categories be visible, such as "Office" Games" "System" ?
I guess I need to download the entire manual and read it.
How do I get back to ROX/openbox and back to icewm?
It saves a lot of space with the narrow taskbar.
Do I need to re-read that icewm thread to access my programs with the "Menu" key on the Zaurus?
It looks nice, but there is no wallpaper. Like I said, I need to figure this out, the main thing is how to switch back and forth from iceWM to ROX and back.

EDIT: I went back to ROX/openbox in the meantime. I'll read up on iceWM.
Do you know how I can download the iceWM manual? It's a bunch of linked pages, I wish it was all on one page or a PDF.
This is how I am switching back and forth for now.
I keep 2 copies of my (openbox symlink .xinitrc as 2 different filenames)
I also have (iceWM .xinitrc as a different name)
When I want to switch, I just exit X, then rename the appropriate file and type startx

[Capn_Fish]

I think there's a binary called icewmbg, or something like that, that will set a background.

The easiest way to switch between WMs, IMO, is to copy the startx script to a script called startx2, then edit the copy to look for .xinitrc2 instead of .xinitrc (you can obviously change names as you see fit).

I don't know about the programs issue...It worked fine for me. It may have something to do with icewm-pdaxrom.

Hope that helped.

[Jon_J]

I don't know about the programs issue...It worked fine for me. It may have something to do with icewm-pdaxrom.
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I didn't install icewm-pdaxrom, as you suggested.

[Capn_Fish]

I don't know about the programs issue...It worked fine for me. It may have something to do with icewm-pdaxrom.
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I didn't install icewm-pdaxrom, as you suggested.
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I was referring to the previous installation...No idea if it may have done something, but you never know. I'm mostly guessing.

[Jon_J]

The easiest way to switch between WMs, IMO, is to copy the startx script to a script called startx2, then edit the copy to look for .xinitrc2 instead of .xinitrc (you can obviously change names as you see fit).
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I'm looking at a second copy of startx
Do I rename all instances of .xinitrc in this file?
I found 2 places where .xinitrc is referenced.
I'm thinking the only one that needs edited is this one, am I correct?
"userclientrc=$HOME/.xinirtc"

Thanks again, I'll fiddle with this some more and see if I can get it to work the way it should.

[Capn_Fish]

The easiest way to switch between WMs, IMO, is to copy the startx script to a script called startx2, then edit the copy to look for .xinitrc2 instead of .xinitrc (you can obviously change names as you see fit).
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I'm looking at a second copy of startx
Do I rename all instances of .xinitrc in this file?
I found 2 places where .xinitrc is referenced.
I'm thinking the only one that needs edited is this one, am I correct?
"userclientrc=$HOME/.xinirtc"

Thanks again, I'll fiddle with this some more and see if I can get it to work the way it should.
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I think that's the only one I changed (I have a Fluxbox/JWM setup).

EDIT: You only need to edit one; the other is commented out anyway (you could chage it for consistency).

[Jon_J]

That worked, thank you. Now I only need to figure out how to get my apps, taskbar, folders on desktop, and the Zaurus "Menu" key working.
Right now, the only thing that I can do is change the themes available for the menu and taskbar.
This doesn't seem as easy to use as ROX. I wonder if mimetypes are working? That doesn't matter now anyway because I cannot browse my files outside a terminal.
EDIT:
I'm able to launch applications in the terminal, (that is if I can remember the name of the executable...)

[desertrat]

IceWM is fast, but it doesn't support tabbing.

See
http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/x234.html

Excuse my ignorance but what exactly does tabbing do? From what I could make out it allows you to group arbitrary sets of programs into tabbed windows. If so, I really can't see any huge useability benefits - can someone enlighten me?

I don't know what pdaxii13 does to make this take so much longer, but it does something.

Just a wild guess, it rebuilds the menus each time you start? I know thats what icewm in official feed does (until I fixed it ).

[radiochickenwax]

I don't know what pdaxii13 does to make this take so much longer, but it does something.

Just a wild guess, it rebuilds the menus each time you start? I know thats what icewm in official feed does (until I fixed it ).
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I was actually referring to fluxbox, not icewm in a different thread:

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IceWM is fast, but it doesn't support tabbing.

See
http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/x234.html

Excuse my ignorance but what exactly does tabbing do? From what I could make out it allows you to group arbitrary sets of programs into tabbed windows. If so, I really can't see any huge useability benefits - can someone enlighten me?
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I don't about *enlightening* you... but I'll tell you what it does for me.  Say I have 5 windows open in gimp, Maybe the main window, tool options, color palette, etc...  it's pretty common for me to find myself in such a situation.  

Using fluxbox tabs, I can contain all of those windows into a bar.  Now, let's say that I've also got 3 more xpdf windows open, because I need to find info from 3 books on the same or similar subject.  So I put all of those windows together into a bar.  

Now I've apparently only got two windows open, and I can cycle between them using Alt+Tab, however, inside of each window is an additional set of windows that I can cycle through using Meta+Tab.

It's sorta like virtual desktops, but instead of using workspaces, it uses the same one.  It's probably not for everyone, but it suits me fairly nicely, since I tend to have a lot of windows open simultaneously.

Also, in the text file "~/.fluxbox/groups" I can set specific windows to always open in tabs, so gimp can *always* have only one window that contains all of it's additional windows.  Using this, I can open say, 10 image-viewing windows (I use xzgv) and 10 leafpad windows that will only display two windows at a time.

Another benefit of fluxbox is that it supports setting a default window size for each program.  So if gqview or inkscape is too large for the display, just resize it, tell fluxbox to remember the configuration, and it will never be too large again, unless you erase the text file.

[Capn_Fish]

I currently have tabs turned off in Fluxbox because I couldn't figure out how to group windows. It's probably really obvious, but I'd like to know how. Care to share?

[radiochickenwax]

I currently have tabs turned off in Fluxbox because I couldn't figure out how to group windows. It's probably really obvious, but I'd like to know how. Care to share?
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- In ~/.fluxbox/init:

put

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session.tabs:    true  

- There's more options, but that *should* just turn them on.  
- Restart or reconfigure fluxbox (from the root menu)
- Middle click and drag a title bar onto another title bar to group two windows, middle-click and drag away to ungroup.