Author Topic: Weexpc (Read 13673 times)

InSearchOf · « **on:** March 27, 2007, 06:13:54 pm »

Just announcement to let the community know that pdaXrom and it developers are of no sort affiliated, associated or under an agreement with Hermocom. Our group has NEVER intended to make a profit off of the efforts of our work and do not plan on it. If there are any questions regarding this statement please contact myself via PM.

Thanks
Adrian Crutchfield (InSearchOf)
Representing pdaXrom

Capn_Fish · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2007, 06:17:29 pm »

I must admit that I am a bit offended by this and am glad to hear that there is no intent of charging for pdaXrom.

Drake01 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2007, 07:41:28 pm »

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Just announcement to let the community know that pdaXrom and it developers are of no sort affiliated, associated or under an agreement with Hermocom. Our group has NEVER intended to make a profit off of the efforts of our work and do not plan on it. If there are any questions regarding this statement please contact myself at:

******@****.***

Thanks
Adrian Crutchfield (InSearchOf)
Representing pdaXrom
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So what's the deal here? Hermocom based its commercial distribution off the ongoing work that you and all the other pdaXrom developers are doing?

Capn_Fish · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2007, 07:59:40 pm »

If you look at the icons, especially the one in the lower-left corner, I think you'll get your answer.

http://www.hermocom.com/en/services/weexpc...creenshots.html

EDIT: They admit to it here:

http://www.hermocom.com/en/services/weexpc/manual/#1

Drake01 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:19:17 pm »

From the website:

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The weeXpc is an ultra-mobile productivity platform for businesses or private persons who need not only to organize themselves but also to work productively at any place and any time.

Especially as a former user of Hewlett Packard 200LX palmtops, you may like the weeXpc!

Special offer:
only 180 Euro if you order before April 6th 2007! (price is software only)

Read on to learn more!.

Am I reading this correctly? They're charging 180 Euros just for the OS & software?

Capn_Fish · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:31:24 pm »

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From the website:
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The weeXpc is an ultra-mobile productivity platform for businesses or private persons who need not only to organize themselves but also to work productively at any place and any time.

Especially as a former user of Hewlett Packard 200LX palmtops, you may like the weeXpc!

Special offer:
only 180 Euro if you order before April 6th 2007! (price is software only)

Read on to learn more!.
Am I reading this correctly? They're charging 180 Euros just for the OS & software?
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That's correct so far as I can tell.

Antikx · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2007, 09:36:17 pm »

I wasn't aware you could sell open-source software unless I'm misunderstanding what they are doing.

Jon_J · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2007, 09:39:12 pm »

I wonder if they use the same cr*p on the SD card that Picsel browser has, so you cannot make a backup?

Capn_Fish · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2007, 09:50:03 pm »

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I wasn't aware you could sell open-source software unless I'm misunderstanding what they are doing.
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If pdaXrom is licensed under the GPL, I am fairly sure that they are violating it.

EDIT: It seems (after looking at the GPL) that you CAN charge for the software (or derivatives of it), but you must have the source code available licensed under the GPL.

I took ~30 seconds to skim the license, so I may be off, but that's what I gather.

@Jon_J: I'd guess that they'll prevent you from making a backup of your card.

InSearchOf · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2007, 10:00:29 pm »

ok... I just edited this so if anyone got the opportunity to see me venting your fortunate...

But I feel as an admin I need to keep it civil so I will just say... all of the above speculations are correct... and we are working at getting this issue resolved in a timely fashion... to those who have purchased this software from this company, I'm sorry for your misfortune in not knowing this this software is free to the general public.

To the owner and regular forum post poster (yes he is amongst us) if you have any input or questions regarding our concerns about your practice, may contact my via email at the address posted above.

If you feel as if posting here is a better route please do so.

Late
(that post earlier looks naked with out Late at the end)

Capn_Fish · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2007, 10:21:04 pm »

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Edit: and I didnt think to convert 180 Euros to USD until now and it is $239
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And I thought Windows was expensive!

InSearchOf · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2007, 10:29:01 pm »

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Edit: and I didnt think to convert 180 Euros to USD until now and it is $239
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And I thought Windows was expensive!
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You caught a piece of my vent before I could edit it :-)

Late

desertrat · « **Reply #12 on:** March 27, 2007, 10:44:39 pm »

First of all, I really appreciate the effort you guys put into pdaXrom - both the core developers and the people who contribute to this forum.

However if the pdaXrom stuff is wholly GPL then:

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I think all that he did was... grab the beta3 images installed it... hacked the crap out of it... installed A LOT of apps and re labeled it... created a NAND backup and sells it... I've seen adverts on a few blogs... EBAY AUCTIONS!.. and as you know this page for the company...

One could argue that this is by and large what Redhat (and friends) do. They take GPL stuff, polish it, package it up, put together some documentation, maybe throw in some support and sell[1] the result. Of course Redhat (and friends) does development and bug fixes as well and contributes them back upstream.

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My whole "fit" is because not even 1 person from pdaXrom was asked or even notified was was going on... I mean I'm not going to allow a product of my and the rest of the teams effort be sold...

I don't think GPL stipulates that upstream needs to be notified of any intention to (re)distribute. However I agree that it would have been courteous to have notified the pdaXrom developers about such intentions.

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and yes he is conflicting with GPL

Could you clarify which part of the GPL you believe is being violated?

[1]In practical terms they're actually selling support. There are a number of entities who take the Redhat stuff, strip out all Redhat trademarks/logos etc, then rebrand & repackage for (re)distribution. This is all perfectly legal and within the scope of the GPL. However users of these (re)distributions are obviously not qualified to receive Redhat support!

Capn_Fish · « **Reply #13 on:** March 27, 2007, 10:49:06 pm »

Am I wrong in thinking that if you use GPL'd code in something you release, the thing you release must also be GPL'd?

InSearchOf · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2007, 11:11:44 pm »

So I guess desertrat caught my rant also... :-)

Well I'm not going to break out into the GPL this and GPL that since I wanted to stay civil and not point fingers... (the reason I retracted my prior statements)

But I'm going to leave this alone for a bit. Any any conversations regarding this can still trickle on and if anyone would like to contact me please feel free to do so...

Thanks

PS. And my reference to GPL wasnt refering to the statements I made prior that... My GPL statement was agreeing with Antikx

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Author Topic: Weexpc (Read 13673 times)