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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2007, 10:08:07 am »
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clicking on the clock icon would bring up the set time/date program (I hate that)
You can install qpealarmclock, then clicking on the clock gives a popup menu (to set alarms) similar to those of the other applets.

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My problem with Cacko was that no matter what I tried (I spent about a month) I could not restore complete support for Japanese language.  So, I had to go back to stock Sharp ROM with meanie's scripts.
What's "complete support" for you? I have installed the japanese-support package, changed the locale to japanese and installed a kernel with japanese buttons (not mapped to ctrl/alt), and I can use japanese just fine.

There are just two things bothering me: The first is the non-UTF8 encoding (but that probably cannot be fixed), and the second is when I open an input applet (the japanese handwriting recognition mainly), the keyboard is switched to romaji input, and japanese input cannot be activated (but I think the SharpROM does the same).

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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2007, 10:44:38 am »
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What's "complete support" for you? I have installed the japanese-support package, changed the locale to japanese and installed a kernel with japanese buttons (not mapped to ctrl/alt), and I can use japanese just fine.

There are just two things bothering me: The first is the non-UTF8 encoding (but that probably cannot be fixed), and the second is when I open an input applet (the japanese handwriting recognition mainly), the keyboard is switched to romaji input, and japanese input cannot be activated (but I think the SharpROM does the same).


My attempts at trying to install Japanese support on Cacko are detailed here:
https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showto...30&start=30

I believe I was able to get some support but it was sketchy, and it crashed sometimes.  On Sharp, Japanese support does not cause any issues.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2007, 12:28:29 pm »
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To clarify, Sharp violated the GPL and did not release full sources to their hacked kernel. If you changed to 2.6 EABI none of the sharp code would run, thereby defeating the point of Cacko as you might as well use OpenZaurus or Angstrom with Opie!

Also, the version of qtopia is proprietary version 1.5, it just happens that you can use version 1.7 for developing s/w.

Sorry, I have to call BS on this one. Sharp did NOT violate the GPL.

They are violating the GPL, since you don't get the kernel sources for the actual kernel that runs on the devices. It's obvious from e.g. the tosa sources. If you compile the kernel using the same compiler and config you will get the orange lines issues, which the sharp kernel doesn't have. That's a clear indicator that source doesn't match the binary 100%. If it doesn't match, it's a GPL violation.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2007, 08:53:36 am »
I did email Anton a week ago, it didn't sound like he had pans to do any updates but if he were then...

- A fix to the Magnified screen bug that eventually reboots the Z when switching modes (on a C750 and C1000 it does anyway)

- Inclusion of the old (tkc?) mount / check / formatter app - nothing better for fixing busted SD cards

- updated SD driver for 2GB SDs (HDSD?)

- model specific packages in the feed named by model and not by chip name (mplayer and libSDL etc)

- updated USB drivers? V4l/webcam?  

cant think of much else that would reasonably be in a .01 update.
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2007, 09:49:24 am »
may be it is not a 1.24, but an 1.23.1 should be great, so a new cacko install will give all the greatest stuff
For example :
kernel : https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24972 and SD>1 G drivers
Media : Quasar -> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24839
Emu : Gpsp -> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24928 (some sdl issues to fix)
and updated fonts (dejavu, etc) that works with non English language (ie with é, à, è, ï, ...)
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2007, 06:42:02 pm »
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since we've already gone off topic, what about the display driver source for the 6000's toshiba video chip?

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Sorry, I have to call BS on this one. Sharp did NOT violate the GPL.

They are violating the GPL, since you don't get the kernel sources for the actual kernel that runs on the devices. It's obvious from e.g. the tosa sources. If you compile the kernel using the same compiler and config you will get the orange lines issues, which the sharp kernel doesn't have. That's a clear indicator that source doesn't match the binary 100%. If it doesn't match, it's a GPL violation.
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Speculatrix, I assume you are referring to the same problem as koen.

I have no experience with the Sl-6000 (or any other American only version of the Zaurus) so I can't comment on any potential GPL violation by Sharp US. I googled for any info on this, but the only thing I came up was a comment on slashdot by Speculatrix

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Even the Sharp Zaurus, until recently one of the few handhelds which came with linux out of the box still has proprietary/closed-source elements - the SD driver is one example. One of the biggest missing pieces of the jigsaw is an accelerated video driver for the Zaurus SL-6000 series - there's a Toshiba TC6393XB chip for which virtually no documentation is available (it also drives the SD card slot, so presumably Toshiba didn't want to release the programmers guide for fear of giving out information on that somewhat proprietary standard).

If you feel this is a GPL violation then it should be addressed to [a href=\"http://gpl-violations.org/]GPL-violations.org[/url] as they have a pretty decent track record of stopping GPL violations.

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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2007, 08:56:04 pm »
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If you feel this is a GPL violation then it should be addressed to GPL-violations.org as they have a pretty decent track record of stopping GPL violations.

Good point. Thanks for the link. Speculatrix: I don't have my hopes high, but I think we should pursue this for Tosa. What do you think?
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2007, 02:23:04 pm »
i would like latest the latest stable bluetooth stack. The latest tetsu kernel and latest busybox

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2007, 09:08:18 pm »
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If you feel this is a GPL violation then it should be addressed to GPL-violations.org as they have a pretty decent track record of stopping GPL violations.

Good point. Thanks for the link. Speculatrix: I don't have my hopes high, but I think we should pursue this for Tosa. What do you think?
Hell--at this point I'd be happy with a keymap that works with the pocketworkstation fbvnc.... Any persuit of anything on Tosa is a step in the right direction
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2007, 04:32:39 pm »
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If you feel this is a GPL violation then it should be addressed to GPL-violations.org as they have a pretty decent track record of stopping GPL violations.

Good point. Thanks for the link. Speculatrix: I don't have my hopes high, but I think we should pursue this for Tosa. What do you think?

yes, definitely, the video driver for the 6000 is one of the key stumbling blocks for it to achieve its potential!

I have made my own private enquiries and not been able to get the programmers guide to the video part of the chip, so Sharps' sources may be the only route.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2008, 10:28:08 am »
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I am hoping we can persuade Anton to come out of retirement and produce and update to Cacko, if we can come up with a realistic list of things that would be a genuine step forwards.

So, please consider responding with a feature or update item, preferably with a pointer to the source/resources required. If people can offer information as to any updates and new packages that Sharp produced that Cacko doesn't have, or even standard gnu/linux packages that need updating due to security fixes etc.

Thanks!


Any luck?

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2008, 10:42:21 am »
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I am hoping we can persuade Anton to come out of retirement and produce and update to Cacko, if we can come up with a realistic list of things that would be a genuine step forwards.
Any luck?

We've actually not had many realistic proposals for real additions, have we? a few updates and a few bug fixes. Is there anything in the 3200 that wasn't in the 3100, apart from text to speech?
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2008, 12:59:28 pm »
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I am hoping we can persuade Anton to come out of retirement and produce and update to Cacko, if we can come up with a realistic list of things that would be a genuine step forwards.
Any luck?

We've actually not had many realistic proposals for real additions, have we? a few updates and a few bug fixes. Is there anything in the 3200 that wasn't in the 3100, apart from text to speech?

Would it be possible to compile and drop in the qtopia 4/ GreenSuite stuff that is under discusssion? Wouls dit be worthwhile to persue?

Is there a current web browser for the z that would run in cacko and which is available for download or purchase?
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2008, 02:06:09 pm »
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I am hoping we can persuade Anton to come out of retirement and produce and update to Cacko, if we can come up with a realistic list of things that would be a genuine step forwards.
Any luck?

We've actually not had many realistic proposals for real additions, have we? a few updates and a few bug fixes. Is there anything in the 3200 that wasn't in the 3100, apart from text to speech?
Also the >1GB SD card support was from the 3200 as well.  pelrun also patched this for the c7x0 machines so that module can be used in in the non-cxxxx 1.2.4 releases.  I would love to see SDHC backported to the 2.4 kernels as well.  

Here is the rest of the list I would like to see:

Intergrating evilJazz's new 2.4 kernel with its faster video replay performance thanks to it's faster floating point emulation would be welcome to.  

I would like to see the an updated swap part applet that supports greater than 128MB swaps.  

An overclocking applet that that hides the crash happy overclocking settings on the 3200.  

Backport and integrate the system wide copy and paste applet from Qtopia 2.2

Integrate WPA tools (including graphical) into the Cacko for easy WPA access.  Include a wireless scanner that can used to automate the access point config.

As far a bug fixes for 1.23.  Patch HancomWord so that the default font size is legible.  Fix the power management so that the lowest screen brightness level doesn't turn off the backlight.

As far as browsers go I would recommend looking at basing it on the latest KHTML code.  Safari on my iPod Touch has utterly shocked and awed me at how well it works.  It is the best mobile browsing experience I have ever had (NetFront, Opera, FireFox, Dillo, and Blazer); it is faster and renders beautifully.  FireFox on the Z is a complete dog compared to it.  The gecko engine is totally unsuitable of handheld use, IMHO.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2008, 04:29:47 pm »
the possibility to use 6Gb of hard disk of c3200 to install applications and programs and not only 30Mb
The injection hostap driver for the latest aircrack-ng
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