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« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2018, 01:20:53 pm »
A simple unambiguous way to enter F1 to F12, or at least F1 to F10. Can't use the normal modifier keys because it should be possible to apply them to the F keys - perhaps reduce the width of the number keys and add an extra narrow button at the end of that row to act as an F modifier for the number keys to give F1 to F10
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« Reply #76 on: July 28, 2018, 02:03:13 pm »
^ Yes, yes, F-Keys would be very usefull, I forgot. I never never ever used CAPS on a keyboard, so it would be nice if Caps could be reprogrammed as "change the number keys to F-keys") - but it should work in all emulators as well, and that could be a problem then..

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Do you not find the Gemini keyboard pretty much all the way at the upper limit of size for thumb typing?
it shouldn't be bigger, indeed, but normally I don't use thumb-typing on the Gemini, especially if I want to write more.. but nonetheless it's 1000x better than thumb-typing "omn atht ipohne on-scteen- keybprd" ;-) (well, ok, it was not that bad, on my previous mentioned typing test I had 150 strokes/min on the iPhone 5S thumb-typing with an accuracy of 89,82% (incl. corrections) and 214/min on the Gemini but with 99,07% accuracy (incl. corrections))

However I don't have any problems with my thumb on FN or ALT and my index finger on the (left) shift, and the shift key is on both sides anyway, so no need for sticky keys (for me) ..

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« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2018, 01:34:58 pm »
After two months of Gemini usage, I would be happy to have (in order of importance):
1. high quality external camera
2. better headset quality (I have some static noise which is annoying)
3. OLED display
4. larger battery (at least 8000 mAh, the 4k is minimally better than 3k batteries in most top phones)
5. backlit keyboard
6. smaller bezel on the left and right side (but edge to edge is not necessary)
7. user configurable keyboard
8. better split-screen setup
9. one USB 3 port (this could fit in at the CAPS LOCK light)


Right now I feel that I do not need:

- fingerprint sensor
- NFC
- stylus
- external display
- two SIM slots

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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2018, 12:14:21 pm »
My only wish is a backlit keyboard with color options (at least green, and maybe red) I had a R/G/B one, and never used the blue one it is too intense.
I also tried the mac as well as lenovo backlit, and it is usually difficult to find the right amount of white light.



I see many people wanting an external display, I guess that would be pretty cool, have you considered to getting a pebble of ebay and making an account on http://rebble.io/ ?
I still use my pebble, and it is amazing with the gemini.


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9. one USB 3 port (this could fit in at the CAPS LOCK light)

I think both the USB ports are version 3 already (maybe you wanted the classical shape 'type A'?)
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« Reply #79 on: August 23, 2018, 01:09:52 pm »
Just thought of this when reading another thread were the height of the screen was an issue.

Many people want some kind of screen on the outside.

So, and this is a major redesign but what the hell. Add a second screen to the existing one hinged at the top of it so when shut it concertinas down and the new extra screen is facing out, when opened the new screen is above the existing one giving you an effective double height screen. I suspect power distribution could be an issue but possibly a small battery or super cap in the bezel might be enough.

The device would be quite a bit thicker but the advantage of having a large screen might be enough to justify it.

A compromise might be to have a full width but half height extra screen which could fold back into a depression on the main screen back when shut (look I'm thinking of this as I type, don't expect perfection) and would effectively extend the main screen to 1620 high when opened and could probably be done without adding too much to the overall thickness.

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« Reply #80 on: September 04, 2018, 11:04:05 pm »
The option of a 'Factory Flash', preinstalled OS's, I'll have Sailfish & Debian please!!

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« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2018, 05:31:00 am »
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As well as paying for the carrot-and-stick promised Sailfish OS by 2019 AND greatly improved Linux flavors by only they know when.

Sailfish OS by 2019 is going to require a separate payment to Jolla to use all features including support for Android apps.

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« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2018, 05:55:14 pm »
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Sailfish OS by 2019 is going to require a separate payment to Jolla to use all features including support for Android apps.

That is the latest (not released yet) version of Sailfish - version 3. I have been using the PC supplied community edition 2.1.4.14 since it was released, and have to say it is brilliant, bugs and all

I'll be lining up to buy version 3 when it comes out - jolla is a small dev team and I don't begrudge giving them money for a good product.

To add my 2 cents to this thread, my list would be (including the highly unoriginal, but popular hardware features):

* factory installed sailfish 3 (or later) version option
* back-lit keyboard
* better camera

Obviously updated chipset/ram/flash etc is always good on a V2.

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« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2018, 06:51:47 pm »
I suspect a backlit keyboard won't be viable.

Right now, all keyboards start off with the same set of blank keys, and then the labels are ‘etched’ with a laser (causing the plastic to lighten and expand slightly).  All keyboard layouts can be etched with the same machine; it's very quick.

However, if the keyboard were backlit, each key would have to be moulded from two types of plastic (the opaque dark grey, and a translucent white), customised for the particular label.  I suspect this couldn't be done in-house, but would need each keyboard variant to be carefully designed, ordered in, and stored.

Having different keyboard layouts probably complicates Planet's logistics enough already: the number of models they have to deal with is at least twice the number of keyboard layouts (one for Wifi-only and one for 4G variants — and more due to the different mains adapters).  But ordering in keys with labels would probably complicate it an awful lot more.  This is feasible for a company with the size (and margins) of Apple or Dell, but for Planet I fear it may not be.

And all that's before you consider the difficulties of piping light (whether through fibres or air) through the rubber membrane, the extra battery drain…

But don't get too downcast.  I've been using that keyboard in bed almost every night for 20 years (first on a Psion 5/5mx, and now on a Gemini), and I've hardly ever had any trouble hitting the right keys.  (There aren't quite as many as on a full-size computer keyboard, for one thing; and I find my thumbs learned very quickly where to go.)  So I don't think the lack of a backlight justifies that much concern, really.

For me, things like allowing earphone buttons to work with the lid closed, getting the built-in speakers to work in-phase and in stereo, fixing the wobbly keys, ensuring the hinge is strong enough, and adding rubber feet are much more important.
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« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2018, 02:59:13 pm »
I second your suggestions "...things like allowing earphone buttons to work with the lid closed, getting the built-in speakers to work in-phase and in stereo, fixing the wobbly keys, ensuring the hinge is (tempered) strong enough, and adding rubber feet are much more important."

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« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2018, 02:51:14 am »
Quote from: MonkeyControl
The option of a 'Factory Flash', preinstalled OS's, I'll have Sailfish & Debian please!!


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* factory installed sailfish 3 (or later) version option

Well I just had this correspondence below with ´hello@planetcom´ which sort of puts the kybosh on my procurement plans.  

MC:  Do you have any plans to ship the Gemini with other preinstalled OS configurations, (personally I'm thinking Sailfish and Debian), in the near future?  
PC:  I don't believe that the Gemini would be shipping with the dual boot setup out of the box. The majority of our customers prefer to use Android.

Such a shame, I´d even convinced my girlfriend I needed one.
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« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2018, 03:22:16 am »
It's really not that hard to flash your Gemini to run Sailfish and Debian.
If you lived near Cambridge England I'd happily meet up over a beer or coffee and do it for for.
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« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2018, 03:19:06 am »
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But don't get too downcast.  I've been using that keyboard in bed almost every night for 20 years (first on a Psion 5/5mx, and now on a Gemini), and I've hardly ever had any trouble hitting the right keys.  (There aren't quite as many as on a full-size computer keyboard, for one thing; and I find my thumbs learned very quickly where to go.)  So I don't think the lack of a backlight justifies that much concern, really.

I almost agree, but the one problem with this (for me, at least) is finding where to put my fingers. I often end up with my hand one key off. It would be great if the next model had little nobs on the F and J keys so that you can recognise them by feeling that, just like a usual keyboard has. That's the one thing I'd like addressed, and it seems easy to do, but what do I know.

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« Reply #88 on: October 15, 2018, 02:12:09 pm »
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I suspect a backlit keyboard won't be viable.

Right now, all keyboards start off with the same set of blank keys, and then the labels are ‘etched’ with a laser (causing the plastic to lighten and expand slightly).  All keyboard layouts can be etched with the same machine; it's very quick.

However, if the keyboard were backlit, each key would have to be moulded from two types of plastic (the opaque dark grey, and a translucent white), customised for the particular label.  I suspect this couldn't be done in-house, but would need each keyboard variant to be carefully designed, ordered in, and stored.

Having different keyboard layouts probably complicates Planet's logistics enough already: the number of models they have to deal with is at least twice the number of keyboard layouts (one for Wifi-only and one for 4G variants — and more due to the different mains adapters).  But ordering in keys with labels would probably complicate it an awful lot more.  This is feasible for a company with the size (and margins) of Apple or Dell, but for Planet I fear it may not be.

And all that's before you consider the difficulties of piping light (whether through fibres or air) through the rubber membrane, the extra battery drain…

But don't get too downcast.  I've been using that keyboard in bed almost every night for 20 years (first on a Psion 5/5mx, and now on a Gemini), and I've hardly ever had any trouble hitting the right keys.  (There aren't quite as many as on a full-size computer keyboard, for one thing; and I find my thumbs learned very quickly where to go.)  So I don't think the lack of a backlight justifies that much concern, really.

For me, things like allowing earphone buttons to work with the lid closed, getting the built-in speakers to work in-phase and in stereo, fixing the wobbly keys, ensuring the hinge is strong enough, and adding rubber feet are much more important.

For years the thinkpads use a "neat" trick - the led in the display that lits the keyboard from top - just one diod properly placed can do that. In times I used jornada, I helped myself by tilting display slightly towards the keyboard and there was enought light to see a keyboard symbols. With Gemini this is hardly possible, as the display has only one position and it would not hold half way open., so the keyboard remains dark, which I also somethimes see as a problem.
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« Reply #89 on: October 15, 2018, 03:00:50 pm »
The old Fujitsu u810 had two lights under its display that shone out onto the keyboard. That wouldn't work on a Gemini, but you could shoot out 45-degree beams from either side of the display.

That said, the Fujitsu u810 setup wasn't the best lighting of a keyboard.

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