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« on: May 04, 2004, 08:52:41 pm »
Just wondering what people are using the 6000 for.  I\'m especially curious about these \"enterprise customers\" that Sharp would have us believe are the main buyers.  Is it all barcodes and data entry?  

I\'m posting in the guest forum in case any of the corporate users who stop by want to remain anonymous, for whatever reason.

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2004, 09:07:09 pm »
My company is in the mobile computer/data collection business and I\'ve yet to meet anyone using a Linux device for scanning barcodes or capturing data.
A few years ago Palm OS had a large chunk of that market, now it seems to be all MS Windows Mobile. We still sell some DOS based systems, can\'t remember the last time we did a Palm, never sold (or been asked for) Linux.
Come to think of it, Sharp don\'t make a device with integrated scanning so they are not even in the \"Enterprise Market\". Even the new Psions are using Windows Mobile as their OS.
To be fair, network admin guys using might well have a commercial use for the Z, maybe some will respond here.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2004, 09:13:40 pm »
The reason I mentioned barcode scanning is that Sharp marketing uses that example in their press release and also in the recent Q&A that was on BargainPDA (I think).  Something about a barcode reader in the 1st CF slot scanning data and sending info to a server through the Sprint 1xRTT card in the 2nd CF card on the expansion sled.

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2004, 09:54:47 pm »
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The reason I mentioned barcode scanning is that Sharp marketing uses that example in their press release and also in the recent Q&A that was on BargainPDA (I think).  Something about a barcode reader in the 1st CF slot scanning data and sending info to a server through the Sprint 1xRTT card in the 2nd CF card on the expansion sled.

Interesting, I didn\'t realise that the 6000 had twin CF slots. That might be a lower cost way of sending data than using a Symbol (or HHP or Intermec) PPC which cost well over $2,000 for industrial versions.

I\'ll have to check this out.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2004, 10:05:46 pm »
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Interesting, I didn\'t realise that the 6000 had twin CF slots.


The 2nd CF slot is available on the expansion sled. (similar to iPaq sleeves)  The sled sells on Amazon for around $175, and also gives you a 2nd battery.

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2004, 10:35:05 pm »
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I\'m especially curious about these \"enterprise customers\" that Sharp would have us believe are the main buyers.


I haven\'t heard of any big takers in the world of enterprise Sharp is ostensibly targeting.  Is there any word on the street (like in the business- or IT-oriented press) about Sharp landing mass direct-to-corporate deals for this unit?

After the lengths Sharp has gone to in emphasising to private, indivdual customers how irrelevant they are, I think it would be howlingly funny--not to mention poetically just--to see Sharp\'s dreams of the enterprise market fail to materialise, and them have to stoop to deliberately selling the devices to us little folk as a principal market.
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2004, 10:49:32 pm »
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Sharp\'s dreams of the enterprise market fail to materialise, and them have to stoop to deliberately selling the devices to us little folk as a principal market.


Actually it would be quite unfortunate, because then there probably won\'t be any Zauruses sold here at all.  I believe that the reason wy Sharp has marginalized the consumer market is because the 5500 and 5600 were relatively poor sellers.  It\'s sad that they won\'t repeat the market experiment with more refined models (although silently they might be doing just that by making the 6000 available at all)

It\'s pointless to hold a personal vendetta against a corporation.  It\'s not a person.  It\'s an organization made up of many people whose composition changes over time.  Probably some manager who was overseeing the Zaurus market got flak from his higher ups because the 5x00 did badly, and you really don\' t need any more complicated of an explanation to explain the current state of affairs.  Personally, I hope the 6000 does really well, because it would finally make Sharp see that the market really does exist.  It deserves to, it\'s really a terrific device that\'s far more capable than the older Zaurii.

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2004, 11:07:34 pm »
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Personally, I hope the 6000 does really well, because it would finally make Sharp see that the market really does exist.  It deserves to, it\'s really a terrific device that\'s far more capable than the older Zaurii.

I agree. It would be great to see Sharp become more successfull in the European and US markets which could lead to more models and more support here.
It seems that Sharp have really innovative design people, but a marketing group with no idea as to what to do with the products. Sad thing is, it seems to me that companies that are \"product led\" always lose out to \"market led\" competitors.
Having said that, I understand that the various forms of the Z sell great in Japan. I wonder what kind of people are buying them and for what purpose?
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2004, 12:25:43 am »
We have really tried to make the 6000 work for us, but  Sharp seems to have done everything they can to see us fail.

Yes we use the CF barcode scanner made by socket i/o. And it is really a great barcode scanner.  (symbols engine), but the cost of it is riidcules around $350.00.  

 We use the exapansion jacket  and the sprint card,  adding another $300 to the price tag for our .

But even at these prices we could have buyers. The UPS big box the driver carreis is around $4,000 (got that quote form UPS logistics)  But look what you get you get a truelly rugged box, something the 6000 is not. Why its got holes in the bottom so how is it supposed to survive a driver 1st day when it gets put down near a cup of coffee that has spilled out two tea spoons.  By putting holes on the bottom sharp shouldhave added a diagram to their instruction book on where to add water.  

Then for us, the thing is still a bit to smalll with respect to  the keyboard .  to hard to hit keys (drivers perspective or anybody out in the elements not behind a desk)  

Also to awkward to enter numbers as you need to hit the Fn key.


The worst of all is that we wanted to modify the software and Sharp refuessed to let us have the source. Even though we would sign a NDA, and even though the QT came be gotten from a download right from Trolltech.  

We are continuing with the Sharp for development,   for beta use. We hope another box comes along that is truelly what enterpirise customers want in a high end handheld.

Maybe Sharp is right, that websphere and lotus notes are going to sell millions of these units, but I kind of doubt it.  Web applications are kind of tough on handhelds due to  spotty coverage and anemic bandwidth.

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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2004, 09:58:52 am »
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It\'s pointless to hold a personal vendetta against a corporation.  It\'s not a person.  It\'s an organization made up of many people whose composition changes over time.


I\'m not talking about holding a vendetta over time, or even necessarily holding one (in the form of not buying the 6K) right now.  However, I think it\'s worth noting, before parting with one\'s hard-earned cash, into just whose hands that cash will be passing.  I\'ve seen the argument offered on these forums--not invalidly--that when buying MicroSoft products, remember that some of what you spend will go into a war chest dedicated to the eradication of Linux.

I\'ve voiced elsewhere my reticence to sink ~700 USD into a product that has been premeptively disowned by Sharp, in the consumer marketplace.  However, my gleeful contemplation of Sharp failing to sell these things to enterprise by the truckload was not directed against Sharp per se, but against the rise of a paradigm where future Zaurii are sold exclusively to businesses--no Amazon or PCConnection \"back door.\"

I actually think the 6K has awesome potential to sell to consumers, but Sharp has retreated farther into their bizarre anti-marketing strategy; instead of simply failing to invite the consumer in, as Sharp did with the 5x00 lines, consumers are being actively \"warned off\" from the 6K.  If Sharp achieves economic success by chasing away consumers, Zaurii will become less, not more, available to us in the future.

I remeber an old Dilbert cartoon where the pointy-haired boss announces that, to save costs, all marketing and distribution operations had been eliminated.  He explains, \"Our new business model depends on customers driving to our warehouse and begging us for our products.\"  In a comic strip, it was funny.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2004, 09:02:56 pm »
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that when buying MicroSoft products, remember that some of what you spend will go into a war chest dedicated to the eradication of Linux.


Point taken, but I don\'t think the analogy really applies here.  Sharp as a corporation doesn\'t have an extermination agenda, they\'re just a typical large conglomerate with many independant business units that function more or less independantly.  Unlike Microsoft, which is still dominated culturally by its aggressive founder.  Sharp is just out to make money and along the way they make business decisions according to their perception of reality.  I don\'t see anything \"evil\" about that, perhaps a little misguided and lacking vision, but that applies to 98% of companies.

To be even more specific we\'re talking about Sharp USA, which is mostly independent of the parent company.

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If Sharp achieves economic success by chasing away consumers, Zaurii will become less, not more, available to us in the future.


I think this prediction is way off.  You can bet that someone at Sharp is going to see the Amazon sales on their spreadsheet.  I\'m more worried that the enterprise sales strategy will fail and they\'ll pull out of the US market entirely.

But, there\'s no reason for them to \"disallow\" sales to people who really want them.  They\'re discouraging consumers because they don\'t want to deal with unhappy customers returning a PDA that \"sucks\" because it\'s too hard to use, doesn\'t work like PalmOS or PocketPC, etc.  In short, people who don\'t already understand and appreciate what they are getting into won\'t buy one.  I think the 5x00 models were plagued by a lot of returns, Sharp doesn\'t want to deal with that.  It makes sense from a certain point of view.  Power users can still acquire it, but Joe Sixpack would never see it.

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2004, 10:52:19 pm »
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But, there\'s no reason for them to \"disallow\" sales to people who really want them.


Umm, SL-6000W...? :?
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2004, 10:59:28 pm »
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Umm, SL-6000W...? :?


It\'s not available from Sharp USA period, at the present time.  They\'re not selling it to enterprise customers and withholding it from the rest of us.

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2004, 11:49:08 pm »
I guess I fall into two categories - I\'m an IT manager for a hospital.   I really purchased the 6k as a tool for our wireless lan.   We use several models of Fluke meters for our wired lan but the wifi tools are very expensive. (the one I want is about $15k)  Kismet and a packet sniffer like Ethereal and you almost have the same thing for $700.

I am also experimenting with it as a handheld for our nursing staff.  We currently barcode all meds, all patients, and all nurses.  Data collection is done via laptops on carts with handheld gun type scanners.  Lots of issues!  I really want to get the laptops out of the patient rooms.  The nursing app is soon to be web-based so I\'m hoping to make use of Opera and the formentioned barcode scanner.

Sharp does need to get out some spare batteries and a bulk charging dock if they want to really move this into the business market.  

\"Sled\" users - how is the battery life with constant wifi use?

I will also experiment with it as a vo/ip client in the near future...  Big dream is for this to be the catch all for nursing - email, med admin/patient care apps and a telephone all in your hand.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2004, 12:16:45 am »
I know if the prices were more reasonable (~$400) I\'d certainly trade up from my 5500 simply to have the improved screen and battery life (really ~1.5 hours is ridiculously too little). A number of good EE textbooks exist in PDF format and it is great to be able to carry them around as references in my briefcase for intellectual refreshment during free time.

Large companies (like big government) often behave illogically and produce bizarre \"end-results\" because strangely enough the intellectual \'power\' goes as 1/n^3 with the number of \'n\' people.