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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2004, 09:01:40 pm »
I revisited http://www.double.co.nz/zaurus/ and found a step in the Windows Media Encoder I had missed.  I\'m now trying it again.  I\'ll let you know if my test video file works.  If it does it will be the first real video file I have ever gotten working on the Zaurus.

Wish me luck!
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2004, 09:41:29 pm »
I created a 300 kbps WMV file, and the default playing took it, but I only get audio... no video.  Maybe it\'s because the video size was more than 320x240... but only slightly (like 360x200 or something).  Should that keep it from playing in the deault QTopia Movie Player?
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2004, 12:09:23 am »
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All I saw was stuff that runs on Linux machines. I skimmed through all of the video encoding part and didn\'t see anything mentioning something that works on Windows. Did I miss it?


Yes.  Vidomi is a Windows application...my howto was for Visomi.  It will produce a DIVX for you...very highly compressed and very high quality.

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There has to be a legal avenue to have people re-encode video for you. There are many companies that broadcast video on secure servers.... but the video has to be uploaded to the server to begin with. If encoding services can be legal, then why can\'t they use the internet to transfer that information (as long as the transfers aren\'t public and noone else can use them).

This is a real need and I feel it is a valid legal business... I was only attempting to get a freebie by appealing to various motivations for offering that service. I don\'t publically share videos with others. My web server is for personal files, but I could use it to help transfer files via private links on my server to and from \"encoders\", if that help was needed.


There is a legal avenue.  Send your DVDs via mail to a service/person and have them convert them for a fee for you.  Its legal since this falls under the \"fairuse\" portion of copyright law.

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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2004, 01:05:15 am »
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I own all of my movies on DVD, so having them on my Zaurus should be perfectly legal.


Yes, it should be, but it isn\'t, thanks to a little law you may have heard of called the \"DMCA\".  It would be legal in many other countries, but not in the US.  Yes, this country is fillled to the brim with unindicted federal felons.

Most people don\'t know this, but hardcore porn isn\'t legal either under federal law, even when all the actors are ]18.

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2004, 03:38:02 am »
Hi All,
I\'m not an expert on this field. But I will try to tell what I have done...
Fırst of all I have installed mplayer on my SL5600 and struggled with user rights. In the terminal I have become root by \"su\" then went to the mnt/cf/vıdeo directory.
mplayer -quiet  \"-framedrop or -hardframedrop\"  shrek.avi resulted a decent view of frafman of shrek2. Some little A-V sync problem happens. but not much...
For encoding I have used virtualdub which is free. you should install the codecs before. And I think video-fullprocess-compression should be selected for video compression from menu and  audio-fullprocess-compression.
I advise to change brightness (increase) from video-filter menu a little bit more....
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2004, 04:45:30 am »
Tony i suggest you learn yourself how to encode the videos. I am going to look into it after the weekend, and i will let you know how i get on. I suggest though that you get nimo codec pack, and gspot codec appliance for a start - no links, check google.
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My wish - to have a Command & Conquer style game on my Z! (FREECNC!!!) Simcity 2000 would also be great.

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2004, 08:37:34 am »
Hi,
I also use virtualdub on XP, re-encode to DIVX 250kbps, no audio.  Audio is demuxed and re-encoded to .ogg format at roughly 64kbps using BeSweet and the two files are merged with OggMux.  It appears that ogg uses less CPU than mp3 on the Z.
Playback is via mplayer on my SL5500, from SD card.
I am now experimenting with changing the framerate from 25fps to 16.67fps (i.e. 2/3rds) to see if that makes playback smoother (less hiccups).
See www.doom9.net for all the tools and guides you could wish for :-)

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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2004, 09:25:57 am »
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\"...are belong to us\"  :twisted:


followed your resume link:

 Written for Internet Explorer. Other browsers may not render correctly.

I just don\'t know where to begin with a statement like that.  Do you really not grasp that you are saying to people when you make a statement like that?

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2004, 10:11:37 am »
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Yes, it should be, but it isn\'t, thanks to a little law you may have heard of called the \"DMCA\".


Why do lawmakers pass these laws?  Don\'t they know that a PDA capable of holding 10 DVD movies is better than 1 portable DVD player capable of only holding 1 DVD movie?  Where\'s the logic in making the PDA Movie-playing option illegal?  Is it because most lawmakers are computer-illiterate and don\'t understand the technological impact their laws are having? ...or is it because they are greedy and fall to the temptation of bribes?

My family has Alzheimer’s and I imagined a future device, that ironically may look something like a borg implant, but not as invasive.  A head-mounted camera will be strapped to the right of the head and a micro display (such as \"Micro Optical\") would be attached to the glasses.  A computer worn on the belt (Zaurus?  ) would record all video seen in a 1 minute cycle.  If the computer notices a pause in what the person is doing (some artificial intellegence may be needed... or maybe a big red button labelled \"I forgot\")...  When this is triggered, the computer automatically plays back the last 20 seconds of video.  If that isn\'t of help then it will go back further.

In other words, a person may be asked to go get something, but on the way there forget what he is doing... so the computer helps him remember.  I call it \"computer aided memory\".

...but the copyright folks (RIAA, etc) would have a fit with this device.  This person would be banned from all movie theaters and book stores.  Even libraries may end up being foced to keep this handicapped person out.

...and no I\'m not making this up.  I\'m sincere.

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Written for Internet Explorer. Other browsers may not render correctly.

I just don\'t know where to begin with a statement like that. Do you really not grasp that you are saying to people when you make a statement like that?


I\'m not a microsoft-only person, but all of my jobs have been.  I haven\'t seen Netscape at work in many years.  Every time I recommend giving up functionality on a page in order to make it \"cross-browser-compatitble\" it gets universally turned down.  I\'m trying to find a Java job, but everyone is isn\'t foolishly going to .NET.  My online resume, aimed at the kind of people I work for, uses features that only IE supports.  If you are a non-microsoft center and would like to hire me, then I\'ll create a universal-browser version of my resume for you... but my experience is that the \"open-source\" community doesn\'t pay a lot for developers... so why should my resume target the \"open-source\" market?

...and I\'m NOT a UNIX person... yet... so I\'m not trying to target those people yet either.

I don\'t need a resume to work for the \"open-source\" market... everyone participates... so why would my online resume need to be geared towards them?

Because I have chosen to use some IE features, my online resume looks a little cooler and I\'ve gotten many interviews based on that fact alone.  I don\'t think I\'ll be changing that soon...

...but I\'ll be sure my homepage is as cross-browser compatible as possible.  In fact, go ahead and take a look at it in Netscape.  It should hopefully work:  http://www.geocities.com/userdimensions

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By the way... I got Windows Media Encoder working last night.  It appears that the reuslting file needs to be less than the 320x240 boundary for it to work.  ... and the resulting file only works in the QTopia MoviePlayer.

...but the compression isn\'t that good.  Windows Media is a good compression, but in order to get the video to work you have to turn off VBR (Variable Bit Rate), 2-pass encoding, advanced audio codecs, etc... so the resulting video file isn\'t as good as others.  I\'ll keep trying other options.

By the way... the 16-bit colors really distort the image from time to time.  I can often easily see the color difference between one color layer and another.  But... it is still better than my old 256 color (8-bit) VGA IBM PC-110.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2004, 10:33:41 am »
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Basically \"All your base...\"


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\"...are belong to us\"


I found this on the internet:

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History of \'All Your Base\'

Toaplan creates the Zero Wing video game.
Toaplan releases a port for the Sega Genesis console with the addition of an intro scene, which is then translated into english (very poorly) and released in the United States.
Toaplan goes out of business.
Someone from a Zany Video Game Quotes website notices the poor translation, and highlights the game.
Overclocked.org does a humorous voiceover of the Zero Wing intro in a fake Wayne Newton voice.
Dozens of game-related messageboards begin to post quotes from the parody, and images altered to show the phrase.
Most of the threads lose interest and die off quickly as the trend is pronounced dead countless times.
The Flash movie/video is released with images from the threads and music taken from the origional game someone had added the phrase \"all your base\" to.
AYB explosively expands to the general (non game messageboard-reading) public.
The origional site for the video is shut down within hours due to excessive traffic, and moves to PlanetStarsiege.
Lycos ponders how \"All your Base\" was transformed from obscurity to a top 50 search practically overnight.
Mainstream media begin to notice the trend, and stories appear in Time Magazine, USA Today, Fox News, The Los Angeles Times, Tech TV, Wired, and many others.
As the \'remix\' used in the video goes from 58 hits a day to several thousand per day, mp3.com notices the track has been ripped directly from the video game and pulls the music off their site due to copyright violations. It is later returned unchanged.
The trend continues to grow as it expands into nearly every corner of the web.
Large websites like Angelfire and Hewlett Packard sneak \"all your base\" references into their designs.
\"All Your Base\" is pronounced dead several times every day, yet it\'s 15 minutes of fame continue for some reason...


Now... I\'m probably missing something that others may know.... but... what does this statement mean today?  What is it\'s definition today?  ...or is this another \"Emperor\'s New Clothes\" syndrome where people claim to be \"in the loop\" and know that something is up only because they don\'t want to appear foolish for saying they don\'t know.  Well... I don\'t know.  Can someone enlighten me?
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2004, 11:00:45 am »
The place I program for is currently 100% Windows (although Linux server #1 should be coming along shortly).  Of the 14 of us, I use Firefox as well as 2 others in the department.  The head of the dept. uses Opera.  So at least 4 of the 14 of us don\'t use IE.  Of the visitors to my homepage, ~80% use windows while only ~70% of visitors use IE.  Even if you designed your site with IE in mind, statements like \'other browsers may not render correctly\' don\'t appeal even to the Windows camp as even they know IE is one of the least standards compliant browsers.  Keep in mind, none of us are web programmers and personally I couldn\'t care less.

Back to the subject.  I\'ve had problems with VirtualDub in full processing mode.  Sometimes the videos it produces seem to hiccup or stop altogether.  When I used Windows, I used the Gordian Knot rip pack from doom9.org for complete DVD To divx conversions.  I\'d used VDub to remove the flack but I\'ve had trouble in full processing mode.  If I only want to transcode an existing AVI I\'d often use Flask (flaskmpeg.net, it\'s stupid easy) although those videos occassionally suffer the VDub fate as well.  And, as much as Windows users probably hate to hear me say it... I\'ve never had a problem with mencoder/transcode under Linux.  Not as easy but twice as good.

Unfortunately, I don\'t yet have a Z to test on so I can\'t really tell you what works on it and what doesn\'t.

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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2004, 11:15:27 am »
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Yes, it should be, but it isn\'t, thanks to a little law you may have heard of called the \"DMCA\". It would be legal in many other countries, but not in the US. Yes, this country is fillled to the brim with unindicted federal felons.


You are not correct on this.  The DMCA applies to the distribution of a device (or software) to the public that bypasses a copyright protection.  In fact, if you read the DMCA it specifically states the following:


1201© OTHER RIGHTS, ETC., NOT AFFECTED- (1) Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.


So you are completely protected under the law to rip a backup of your own DVD.

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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2004, 11:53:24 am »
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So you are completely protected under the law to rip a backup of your own DVD.


The same argument was brought up by the defense in Universal vs Corley (the 2600 DeCSS lawsuit).  The court rejected it.

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First, they contend that subsection 1201©(1) can be read to allow the circumvention... when the material will be put to \"fair uses\" exempt from copyright liability.  We disagree that subsection 1201©(1) permits such a reading.  Instead, it clearly and simply clarifies that the DMCA targets the circumvention of digital walls guarding copyright material... but does not concern itself with the use of those materials after circumvention has occurred...  The Appellant\'s much more expansive interpretation of subsection 1201©(1) is not only outside the range of plausible readings of the provision, but is also clearly refuted by the statute\'s legislative history.


Ignorance is bliss.    It has also been ruled that just because the copyright owner gave permission to the manufacturer of the DVD player to decrypt DVDs, that permission does not extend to the actual DVD owner.  The bottom line is that there is simply no legal way to decrypt a DVD (in the USA, in 2004) without permission from the copyright owner, for any purpose whatsoever.

That\'s why laws like congressman Rick Boucher\'s fair use protection act are so desperately in need of support!

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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2004, 11:56:53 am »
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The place I program for is currently 100% Windows (although Linux server #1 should be coming along shortly). Of the 14 of us, I use Firefox as well as 2 others in the department. The head of the dept. uses Opera. So at least 4 of the 14 of us don\'t use IE. Of the visitors to my homepage, ~80% use windows while only ~70% of visitors use IE.


My web applications at work keep track of the website usage and sends me a report of the browsers that have visited the site.  To date (at this location... which I\'ve been at for 13 months), 99% of the users have been using IE... and we\'re talking about thousands of corporate users.  Only 1 exception: my friend wanted to view my pages on his Pocket PC with Pocket IE.  His was the ONLY non-IE browser to look at my corporate (Internal) website.

It seems that smaller businesses and smaller offices often have more of a variety, but in bigger businesses, like this one, a department, usually called \"IS\" is in charge of setting up everyone\'s computer and so all computer\'s are 100% the same.  I\'m not saying that I like this... but this is the way it currently is, so I would be wasting my limited time to develop a Netscape version of this page.

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Keep in mind, none of us are web programmers and personally I couldn\'t care less.


Then you might not know how hard it is to program for Netscape versus IE.  The only way to make things 100% cross-browser compatible is to not use any features... or at least limit them.  There is VERY complex code available to try to figure out which browser you\'re using and create code on the fly for that browser, but even THAT code can\'t do it right.  So... you can either make bland static (non-dynamic) pages (with little interaction) or advanced pages geared to 1 browser or another.  Since you are not a web developer you will just have to take my word for it and understand that you might be seeing \"ie only\" pages a lot in the future... and that isn\'t a political statement... it\'s just conformity with the majority so that I have an increased chance to get work.

For example... I would be decreasing my odds of finding a job if switched to being an Opera web developer.  Especially since many of the non-IE browsers are \"open source\", which means that the people using them are \"open source\"-types of people... and we \"open source\" people are used to getting things for free... so why would we hire a web developer to do it for us?  Marketing a web developer to any non-IE market is more-or-less a waste of time.

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The DMCA applies to the distribution of a device (or software) to the public that bypasses a copyright protection.


\"device (or software) ... that bypasses a copyright protection\"... are you talking about \"open source\", \"pirating\" or both?  Does this law affect code being \"open source\".  (I heard that a law like that was in the works, but I don\'t know any more about it).

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So you are completely protected under the law to rip a backup of your own DVD.


Hurray!!   Let my Zaurus embarrass the Portable DVD player market.  
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2004, 11:59:20 am »
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Where\'s the logic in making the PDA Movie-playing option illegal?  Is it because most lawmakers are computer-illiterate and don\'t understand the technological impact their laws are having? ...or is it because they are greedy and fall to the temptation of bribes?


Some of both.  There are some congresspeople who are so in the pocket of the industry that they are corrupt beyond all repair.  But the optimist in me believes that most of them have simply only heard and understood one side of the debate, thanks to the legions of lobbyists in Washington, and that they will want to do the right thing once the counterarguments finally come out.

Someone said that the best thing that could ever happen is some congressman\'s kid gets sued by the RIAA.