Encoding Video for Zaurus...

[ScottYelich]

yup.
just get a stream ripper... rip from the streams all you want.
Ya, they\'re *just* figuring this one out... but remember, they\'re going after people
who *publish* without a license -- not people who download.  If you\'re listening to
the radio -- you can record to tape, etc... if you\'re listening to a stream, you can
rip to a file.

be safe... until the insanity is outed for what it is.

Scott

[TonyOlsen]

In certain european countries (like France I believe), if you sue someone and you lose, you have to pay for all of thier legal fees and costs. It kind of makes people think twice before suing someone and ensures that the case is a slam dunk. We need this kind of a system in America

Yes!!  That\'s exactly it!  There needs to be some form of retribution for falsely accusing.  That would also make the RIAA, and others, think twice before \"blanket bombing\" the nation with lawsuits.

Hehe I can see it now...  

Bubba: \"I\'m in for rape and carrying 100 lbs of smack accross the border. I got 8 years. Hey...what you in for?\"  

You: \"I\'m in for 10 years. I downloaded Snow White through Kaazaa.\"

he he he... I\'m only laughing because I don\'t want to cry.  Why is it that some people can\'t see this?  If they think it\'s wrong, fine... but does the punishment fit the crime?

Up here (Canada), We don\'t have to worry about US legal code, the DMCA or the RIAA. Yes, we can LEGALLY share music.  But thats a different argument.  

Hm... maybe I\'m in the wrong country.  My father is canadian... maybe I need to think about revisiting my roots!   Then I would haul whopass on the KaZaA network by sharing anything and everything!  Cheap harddrives are now at around 250 GB!... Let me see, that would be every movie Disney ever made.  Oh... and all of Britney Spears stuff (not because I like her music, but jsut to really tick off the RIAA).

...but seriously... are Canadians completely free from this?  Can they still get sued?  Are Canadians 100% safe here?  Completely?

Yes...legal in Canada...but you are not exempt from the DMCA or other title 17 violations. God forbid an American downloads your music (such as an undercover FBI or SS agent)...then you are in deep doo-doo. You won\'t be traveling to the USA anymore unless you are looking to get locked up. The long arm of Ashcroft\'s arm appears to extend accross our borders.  

See here: http://www.cybercrime.gov/griffithsIndict.htm

So, as long as you don\'t enter the US they can\'t touch you?  Can the RIAA still sue you?

Are there any KaZaA \"farms\" in Canada?

The Department of Justice also announced that it intends to seek his extradition in the coming weeks.  

So... the US can simply reach out to any country and pull out anyone they want... for copyright infringement?  Is there any protection from the US strongarm?

Interesting idea, do you have any ideas as to how one can be classified as an \"educational institute\"? Maybe make the decryption/re-engineering a school project (for those of us in high school/university). Anyone have any other ideas?  

Don\'t I, as a father, count as an educational institution?

TonyOlsen wrote:
ut in truth \"I\" NEVER decrypt the data... it is ALWAYS the software. DecSS (spelling?) is the same thing... If I run it I don\'t decrypt it anymore than the player decrypts it. I don\'t understand how that distinction can be upheld.  

I don\'t think it\'s as simple as just an \"I-didn\'t-do-it,-DeCSS-did\". I think it\'s more of a problem of you controlling it. You TOLD it to decrypt that DVD, the same way you TOLD your DVD player to decrypt it. The problem is, the DVD player is legal, and cost you (indirectly) for a license to decrypt those DVDs. Unfortunatly, DeCSS cost you nothing and is not legal.  

The statement I was responding to was that the claim is that when a DVD Player decrypts the file, \"You\" aren\'t.  And I was pointing out why should the DVD Player get to claim that the user isn\'t telling it to do stuff, and yet the DVD Decryptor is?  Either the user is responsible or not... it shouldn\'t matter whether the software is a DVD Player or decryptor... or whether it is licensed or not.  I hate the industry talking out of both sides of their mouths... either something is one way or it isn\'t, but they can\'t claim immunity from their own laws (or their own \"medicine\").  If they cna\'t live by their own laws then they should see the idiocy of having those laws to begin with.

So... everyone who ever plays a DVD using a DVD Player is \"decrypting\" the DVD... they jsut aren\'t saving the resulting file (knowingly... since Decrypted DVD Files get saved by DVD Players... just not longterm).  Decrypting can\'t be illegal without making DVD Players illegal.  *Gag* The whole RIAA argument is flawed from so many angles... it sickens me!

Any why does the industry get to fork in \"licensing fees\", and why should I have to conform to whether the player I\'m using paid their licenses or not?  Why should millions of americans be held guilty because \"DVD Decryption\" isn\'t licensed?  I don\'t understand why the users have to care whether the company that made their software was licensed or not... I think the notion is ridiculous.

so as long as you don\'t advertise the fact you do this sort of thing (i.e. re-encoding movies over the internet for Z users), you shouldn\'t land in trouble.

Then how do legal video streaming companies do it?  They decrypt the DVDs using this \"illegal software\"?  I though tI had to right to decrypt my own DVDs for my own use... so I have the right to decrypt my own DVDs... I just cna\'t use any of the Decryption software to do it?  It sounds like using the \"banned\" Decyption software isn\'t illegal, since copying your own DVDs to your computer IS legal.

[javab0y]

So, as long as you don\'t enter the US they can\'t touch you? Can the RIAA still sue you?

In the case I quoted (Operation Buccaneer), the USA tried to extradite.  It went in front of an Australian judge.  The judge said they won\'t accept the extradition since the gentleman never stepped foot in the USA, therefore they have no obligation to send him back (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0...6-15318,00.html).  Rest assured, however, if he ever comes to our \"great\" country, he will likely be cuffed and thrown in a federal holding cell to face his indictment.  If this fellow has any brains, he will never step foot in a US territory.

As for \"can the RIAA still sue you\"...why yes...they can.  Look at DirecTV...they are currently in several civil suits with Canadians who distributed hacked access cards from the great white north (of which was legal in Canda at one point).  The Candian courts have sided with DirecTV on a number of these suits and also have supported US judgements and applied them in Canada.  So you definately are not exempt from getting sued for copyright violations in Canada from a civil perspective.  It may (or may not - I don\'t know much Canadian law) be legal to infringe on copyrights in Canada, but from a civil perspective, if the RIAA can show severe damages due to infringement, they likely would win restitution.

In addition, there are 2 or 3 outstanding indictments for the distribution of DirecTV access cards in Canada.  Again, these are folks who probably will not be traveling to the good ol\' U S of A anytime soon, including, but not limited to, connecting flights to other countries.  See http://www.skyreport.com/viewskyreport.cfm...?ReleaseID=1013

[TonyOlsen]

So... what countries can the RIAA NOT sue?  Russia?  Poland?

[LilMikey]

Tony- I\'d this point, I\'d have to direct my guesses more along the lines of \"Pluto? Saturn?\"

[DrWowe]

The RIAA can sue you in any country.  But they have to get your government to cooperate to enforce anything.  Many countries are happy to do so, for political reasons (doing business with the US is popular)

WRT the \"authorization\" issue think of it this way:  You have permissio to use an authorized device to decrypt a DVD.  That\'s it.  The streaming movie companies have their own businness arrangements with the copyright owners.  You too could decrypt a DVD legally, if you first negotiated a license to do so.  (har de har har)

[Inuyasha]

Yes...legal in Canada...but you are not exempt from the DMCA or other title 17 violations.  God forbid an American downloads your music (such as an undercover FBI or SS agent)...then you are in deep doo-doo.  You won\'t be traveling to the USA anymore unless you are looking to get locked up.  The long arm of Ashcroft\'s arm appears to extend accross our borders.

I never really wanted to visit the USA in the virst place. Nope, just not the place I want to spend my vacation. Canada is good enough for me. Still haven\'t been to the Territories or Newfoundland.

Hm... maybe I\'m in the wrong country. My father is canadian... maybe I need to think about revisiting my roots! Then I would haul whopass on the KaZaA network by sharing anything and everything! Cheap harddrives are now at around 250 GB!... Let me see, that would be every movie Disney ever made. Oh... and all of Britney Spears stuff (not because I like her music, but jsut to really tick off the RIAA).  

...but seriously... are Canadians completely free from this? Can they still get sued? Are Canadians 100% safe here? Completely?

Canada is a nice place, and if you ever get a chance to come up here, please do.

But sadly we are not allowed to share movies, as that is against the law. I believe we are allowed to store them on our harddrives if we decoded them, but not share them.

But music is 100% allowed, as long as the music downloaded is used ONLY for personal use, no commercial gain, and I assume this means you cannot use it publicly, i.e. at some sort of pubilc gathering (although a private one (friends) is ok).

So, as long as you don\'t enter the US they can\'t touch you? Can the RIAA still sue you?

They could sue you a while ago, but the law\'s been changed recently, and none of the lawsuits succeeded up here. They all were just thrown away, and it\'s legal now. Just music though.

So... the US can simply reach out to any country and pull out anyone they want... for copyright infringement? Is there any protection from the US strongarm?

I believe if you are a citizen of another country, they cannot take you from there without getting in a big problem. Unfortunatly it would probably take the rest of the world\'s military combined to stop the US from attacking anyone. And that war would be a costly one.

Don\'t I, as a father, count as an educational institution?

Maybe.... But what about those of us who aren\'t married? Any ideas for the rest of us?

*Gag* The whole RIAA argument is flawed from so many angles... it sickens me!

It\'s the RIAA... Did you expect it to make sense?

Then how do legal video streaming companies do it? They decrypt the DVDs using this \"illegal software\"? I though tI had to right to decrypt my own DVDs for my own use... so I have the right to decrypt my own DVDs... I just cna\'t use any of the Decryption software to do it? It sounds like using the \"banned\" Decyption software isn\'t illegal, since copying your own DVDs to your computer IS legal.

I assume video streaming companies use authorized software, with a very hefty price tag attached.

And I never said it was legal, I just said as long as you don\'t tell anyone you do it, don\'t share it, then they probably won\'t even know.


Did you ever think how inciminating this thread may be in the eyes of the RIAA/DMCA/etc? Well I\'ll just say this: I\'m not acknowledging that I do anything of the sort, and this is all a hypothetical discussion.

[DrWowe]

I bet the \"Pirate Act\" will really make your blood boil...

A proposal that the Senate may vote on as early as next week would let federal prosecutors file civil lawsuits against suspected copyright infringers, with fines reaching tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.

\"Tens of thousands of continuing civil enforcement actions might be needed to generate the necessary deterrence,\" Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said when announcing his support for the bill. \"I doubt that any nongovernmental organization has the resources or moral authority to pursue such a campaign.\"

Great idea...  lets use taxpayer dollars to sue 80 million taxpayers.  Because the \"poor\" RIAA just can\'t afford it.

For copyright holders, there\'s an additional bonus. Unlike when the RIAA files its own lawsuits ... the Justice Department likely would be able to seek wiretaps to collect evidence about P2P infringement.

[TonyOlsen]

I hate the RIAA... they can quote me on that.  I don\'t agree with their actions and I will take all legal measures to stop them.  I have not done anything illegal, but I do hope I\'ve ruffled their feathers a little in this thread.    I hope to be the means of many sleepless nights for the evil warmongers at the head of the RIAA.  I hope they shake in their boots that conversations like this one all over the world are educating the people to the evil that is being done by the RIAA until the congress will have to conceed, pass new laws, and the RIAA will die a slow and painful death.

Also, I look for the day when the artists are freed from the evil reign of the RIAA... they themselves would then join us in our march against the RIAA.  The claim that the RIAA does what they do \"for the artists\" is a lie.  None of the artists get a penny from what the RIAA is doing here.  In fact, I know of many artists, who are less popular, and poor, who the RIAA doesn\'t pay royalties to for the use of their music.  The RIAA does this because they know that those poor artists don\'t have the financial backing to take on a mega-giant like the RIAA for copyright infringement on the RIAA\'s part.  (Do a search on Google for this for details)  The RIAA are nothing but lyers.  May they rot in their own feeces.

We\'ve freed the Iraqies from Saddam.  Someone should free the artists from the RIAA.

bwahahaha!!  :twisted:

[Inuyasha]

I hate the RIAA... they can quote me on that.  I don\'t agree with their actions and I will take all legal measures to stop them.  I have not done anything illegal, but I do hope I\'ve ruffled their feathers a little in this thread.    I hope to be the means of many sleepless nights for the evil warmongers at the head of the RIAA.  I hope they shake in their boots that conversations like this one all over the world are educating the people to the evil that is being done by the RIAA until the congress will have to conceed, pass new laws, and the RIAA will die a slow and painful death.

I\'ll drink to that.

Also, I look for the day when the artists are freed from the evil reign of the RIAA... they themselves would then join us in our march against the RIAA.  The claim that the RIAA does what they do \"for the artists\" is a lie.  None of the artists get a penny from what the RIAA is doing here.  In fact, I know of many artists, who are less popular, and poor, who the RIAA doesn\'t pay royalties to for the use of their music.  The RIAA does this because they know that those poor artists don\'t have the financial backing to take on a mega-giant like the RIAA for copyright infringement on the RIAA\'s part.  (Do a search on Google for this for details)  The RIAA are nothing but lyers.  May they rot in their own feeces.

Although we all don\'t like most of the pop music of today, I still do feel sorry for them for getting so little money from (1) the sales of their CDs, and (2) no money from the lawsuits involving their music. So my belief is that the RIAA is a bunch of greedy... Erm, anyone have a noun to describe them? ...Who deserve to be shipped out to the next galaxy (men and women separatly: we don\'t want them to reproduce, they\'re supposed to die).

We\'ve freed the Iraqies from Saddam.  Someone should free the artists from the RIAA.

bwahahaha!!  :twisted:

Of course this is a different argument, but some can argue that the US occupying Iraq is just as bad, and that they never really did go in to actually help the people of Iraq, but instead went for Bush\'s \"crusade\" against them, or purely for the oil (which has actully gone up in price, by a fair amount -] it\'s almost $1 (Canadian) for the low quality gas).


But yes, free the artists from the RIAA.

[TonyOlsen]

So my belief is that the RIAA is a bunch of greedy... Erm, anyone have a noun to describe them? ...Who deserve to be shipped out to the next galaxy (men and women separatly: we don\'t want them to reproduce, they\'re supposed to die).  

lol!  I think we found the perfect subject for \"Flame Wars - Episode 2\"

[DrWowe]

lol!  I think we found the perfect subject for \"Flame Wars - Episode 2\"

You\'re at least 2 episodes late!

[TonyOlsen]

TonyOlsen wrote:
lol! I think we found the perfect subject for \"Flame Wars - Episode 2\"  

You\'re at least 2 episodes late!

lol!   Maybe it can be the prequel of the prequel?  ...the place where all evil started: RIAA?

[DrWowe]

I will take all legal measures to stop them.

For a technically skilled person, I think one of the best ways to do that is to contribute to the next generation of P2P software with strong security features.  So far, software development is still legal...

[javab0y]

For a technically skilled person, I think one of the best ways to do that is to contribute to the next generation of P2P software with strong security features. So far, software development is still legal...

Hehe...not quite!!!  Don\'t speak too soon!!!

Read this: http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/techno...logy/33774.html

A Japanese software developer was arrested for writing a \"secure\" P2P software client/server...for...you guessed it...COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!